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<0> US-Male it is estimated that at this rate, there will be around around 80 000 000 illegal aliens in the US in the next 10 years
<1> Romanch is basiclaly Latin
<1> a Swiss Canton speaks it
<2> Pickle, it's not "multiculturalism" that has doomed Europe's issues with immigration, it's the fact that immigrants in Europe aren't ever considered to be anything other than "immigrants"
<3> Why is Malmo, Sweden, being overrun by immigrant gangs who have no desire whatsoever to integrate?
<4> Johan}: at prior rates, probably so. We shall see if govt. is finally serious about doing something
<4> if not, thigs will get worse and worse until they do
<5> Pickle: i think there's probably such a thing as a critical m*** for immigrants living together, when there are too many, there is no need to integrate. That happens here and it happens there
<1> Germany> turks
<3> Katey: Nonsense. Europeans bend over backwards to accentuate the fact that immigrants are valuable members of society. That their home culture is wonderful, and valid, and should be celebrated. In other words, Europe is a multiculturalist's dream.
<2> Lithium-, there's also the fact that immigrants are marginalized in Europe
<2> Pickle, I think that's false
<5> Katey: howso?
<2> Pickle, everything I've read about attitudes towards immigrants in Europe contradicts that
<4> it takes at least a generation to "americanize"
<2> and I think the riots in France earlier this year are an example of it
<4> generally, no immigrant is fully americanized, but their kids are
<3> Katey: I think they prove my point.
<4> and their kids, it depends on what city they live in
<5> I think USA is the multiculturalist's dream, we celeberate so many ethnic holidays. cinqo the mayo, st patrick's, etc
<3> The French went out of their way to make it easy for immigrants to live in the country without having to ***imilate.
<2> Pickle, they prove that keeping groups of people in the margins of society is a recipe for disaster
<2> Pickle, immigrants in France live in **** hole apartments outside of the cities. They're discriminated against in hiring.
<0> Illegal mexicans are bringing deadly and contagious disease like Hepatitis C and Tuberculosis & AIDS with them..
<2> It's not an integrated society
<3> Katey: They weren't "kept". They were simply not forced to do anything that might require ***imilation into French society, in the name of multiculturalism.
<3> That would be insensitive.
<4> bbl
<6> awwww
<6> :>[
<2> Pickle, the French never wanted their guest workers to actually become Frenchmen
<2> They wanted their labor
<5> Johan}: stfu, really
<2> But didn't want to offer them a place in society
<3> Katey: That's a huge pile of ****. Immigrants are given free food and housing in what by any standard couldn't be considered a "****hole" apartment.
<0> Lithium- : Its just a fact, faggot
<7> Racist or foul Language or Spam
<2> lol
<2> Pickle, they live in slums
<8> ahh it's just Forbin`.
<6> bleagh
<9> Johan}: watch your language
<3> Katey: Not by any reasonable standard.
<9> why did you pick that particular word to call him
<2> Pickle, maybe not by your standard. But by the standards of the society they live in, yes.
<10> reasonable ini that it's not a hut made of sticks and dirt? =x
<8> are you talking to me td-?
<2> And probably by my standards as well.
<9> I'm talkin to Johan
<8> k
<9> he called someone the f word
<8> oh
<8> nobody cares about Forbin`
<9> nah Lithium
<3> Katey: Not by any objective standard could they be considered to live in either poverty or slummery. They have all of their needs provided for them by the state, like any other citizen of the country. THAT is the problem: they never have to ***imilate.
<0> Lithium- : Many illegal mexicans are disease ridden and are a burden on the american health care system
<6> jeev has issues
<6> whew
<8> haha
<2> Pickle, Europeans don't want them to ***imilate
<2> They want them to stay in their own neighborhoods
<11> Johan}: i say let em rot in mexico
<0> td: because lithium's a limp wristed, semen drenched, lisping homo
<5> Johan}: got some facts behind ir or just xenophobic rhetoric?
<11> can i get a hell ya
<0> Lithium-: OK, I ll get the facts
<3> Katey: No, they don't want them to have to ***imilate. That's the point of multiculturalism: you shouldn't be forced to ***imilate, and if that means providing for your every need (because perish forbid you should have to learn the official language and get a job), they do that.
<11> lets just let em die on the mexican side
<3> That's what they did in France.
<11> right Johan}
<0> Lithium-: "The influx of illegal aliens has serious hidden medical consequences," writes Madeleine Pelner Cosman, author of the report. "We judge reality primarily by what we see. But what we do not see can be more dangerous, more expensive, and more deadly than what is seen."
<5> Johan}: how is she more credible than you?
<0> http://www.jpands.org/vol10no1/cosman.pdf <---Read the report for yourself
<2> Pickle, in the US it's pretty clear to anyone that learning English is essential to success
<2> We don't need an official language
<2> we never have
<9> The illegal mexicans are good hard working people and I dont think you should be saying those kinds of things about them
<2> And we've been through this before
<9> its racist and bigoted
<5> Pickle: isnt that how it is here? we have documents translated into different languages, dont force any kind of ***imilation
<0> td: They re a public health hazard
<3> Katey: Thanks to the multiculturalists in America, that is increasingly not the case.
<2> Pickle, eh. I don't see any evidence of that
<5> Johan}: again, how is that author any credible
<3> Lithium: America doesn't have a social welfare system that makes work optional, like the Europeans.
<2> the immigrants I know understand that it's important to be able to speak the language
<0> Lithium-: how is she not
<2> It's not exactly rocket science
<0> Lithium- : "Certain diseases that we thought we had vanquished years ago are coming back, and other diseases that we've never seen or rarely seen in America, because they've always been the diseases of poverty and the third world, are coming in now," she said.
<5> Johan}: news flash, if you want to cite facts here, you better be able to back them up with reputable and unbiased sources
<3> Well, then in that case there should be no problem with making english the official language. If learning the language is so important to immigrants, then they will.
<2> Pickle, it's not necessary
<3> If what you're saying is true, it will not matter that America's official language is english. So why oppose it so vehemently?
<2> It's never been necessary
<0> Lithium- : How is this source "biased: you retarded queer
<3> Could it be that you know your own argument is bull****?
<2> Why bother with it?
<2> Pickle, I think history supports my argument
<0> Lithium- : Cosman said 84 hospitals in California have been forced to close because of the high cost of treating illegal aliens with only 50 percent of all treatments reimbursed by government
<3> Katey: Who cares if it's not necessary? If it won't make any difference, why oppose it?
<12> anyone hear read house of war?
<5> Johan}: again, cite source
<12> here rahter
<12> <-- tired
<2> Pickle, why support something that is unecessary?
<0> Lithium- : "Today, legal immigrants must demonstrate that they are free of communicable diseases and drug addiction to qualify for lawful permanent residency green cards," writes Cosman, a medical lawyer, who formerly taught medical students at the City University of New York. "Illegal aliens simply cross our borders medically unexamined, hiding in their bodies any number of communicable diseases."
<5> Johan}: you have got to be a total retard to think that article isnt biased
<3> Katey: Because I think it's important and necessary. If you don't think it will matter, why do you oppose it? Frankly, I don't believe for ten seconds that "it's not necessary" is your reason for wasting this much time arguing against it.
<1> indeed. illegal imigration is a threat in terms of infection and disease
<2> Pickle, heh. I'm just killing time. :)
<0> Lithium- : Retard, illegal aliens are making a leper colony out of your country
<2> I don't see a need for "an official language". We've never needed it before.
<3> Katey: So what?
<5> leper colony lol
<5> everyone run!
<2> And we've been through huge waves of immigration without any need for it.
<0> Lithium- :Madeleine Pelner Cosman, author of a report in the spring issue of the Journal of American Physicians and Surgeons, is particularly concerned with increases in multiple drug-resistant tuberculosis, chagas disease, dengue fever, polio, hepatitis A, B, and C, she told Lou Dobbs on CNN last night.
<1> could you imagine if a disaes liek Ebola. hemoragic fever, or bird flu originated form Mexico? NM has faced this for years. Mexicans have brought up yersina pestus for years...
<3> A hundred years ago you could not hire someone who was obviously fresh off the boat if you didn't want to. New immigrants had to integrate deeply into society or starve.
<3> Now such an employer would get sued.
<3> The moral of the story is that things aren't like they were.
<1> thats bubonic plague in case you don't know
<2> Pickle, no employer would get sued for refusing to hire someone because they couldn't speak English
<0> Lithium-: Dumb***, how Is Doctor Pelner Cosman, Phd "biased"
<2> or if they were, they would easily win
<13> Johan}: it really works wonders when you call the people you're discussing with "dumb***", "queer" and "fag"
<3> Katey: No, but an employer would get sued for not hiring someone who in their opinion wasn't American enough, even if they could speak english. A hundred years ago this was not the case--immigrants had to actually ***imilate into American society to find work.
<5> Johan}: what do his credentials have to do with him being biased or not?
<1> "Free Your Mind...And Your *** Will Follow" said the Donkey
<2> lol
<2> "not American enough"
<5> Johan}: if the article is arguing a certain point, it is by definition biased
<2> I have no idea what that even means
<2> :)
<5> Johan}: perhaps you should look up the term
<3> Katey: No doubt you don't.
<2> Pickle, yes. Considering that I AM and American, I would think that I would know what "American enough" means...if it actually meant something
<2> which it doesn't
<1> God Bless Vespuciland
<3> But it doesn't change the point, that things are not like they were. The pressure to ***imilate isn't like it was, though, for now, it is still there to an extent.
<2> yes, the pressure to ***imilate is pretty strong
<2> I live here
<3> Katey: It means nothing to nihilists who hate traditional American values.
<1> if you ***imilate, you can advance. Don't, you dig diths. simple equation
<2> Pickle, well that wouldn't be me
<2> so...
<2> your point?
<3> And it's hardly worth the time to try to explain it to such people.
<2> lol
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