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Comments:
<0> Shrillary
<1> kobushi: The key point is responsible use of force. Right now the U.S. has been involved in so many wars in the past 20 years I'd have to go look them all up to count them. That is not a peaceful country when it is exporting war the way that people hand out Kleenex.
<2> Glock21: this is not some minority group of mexicans like FreeTrade likes to believe
<3> Flying the US flag upside down is a common way to signal distress even.
<4> 426Hemi: Hey, wow...stock market is doing rather well today
<3> That's hardly desecration by any means.
<2> Freetrade is blind when it comes to illegals
<0> this Rush replacement truly ****s
<5> The US has made over 50 armend invasions into other nations since WWII
<3> It's disrespectful in this context... but not desecration.
<6> ajofi sure, but the majority of those were completely justified... the only one I am iffy on is Iraq
<1> kobushi: And in my opinion the fundamental maxims of U.S. policy have insensibly changed from liberty to force.
<0> Publius bernanke should stop ****ing around and just BLAM the interest rate
<0> raise it up to the levels that NEED be
<0> get the big shock over with
<3> toomey... and you are using emotive imagery to back your side and avoid any real discussion of the legitimate arguments for or against.
<0> make me rich=)
<3> So who's being the child here?
<3> (hint: find mirror)
<7> America has NEVER been a peaceful country.
<7> Ever.
<6> ajofi te more questionable use of military force was the US's involvment in the 8 years war, and other such block-op political coniving as part of the cold war
<1> Raising interest rates immediately raises the deficit.
<7> America is a warrior-state, and some Americans had better wake up to that reality.
<7> The 60s are ****ing over.
<4> ajoifi: the Bush administration is a big step back towards moral force in regards to say...Clinton bombing and running
<7> America can't afford to be a "peaceful country" when it controls resources that others are willing to use violence to aquire.
<4> Bosnia....Somalia
<1> pickle: I agree with your contention that it hasn't been a peaceful state, at least starting with WWI (actually I'd be inclined to go to the Mexican-American War). But I oppose the notion this is sustainable.
<2> FreeTrade needs to wake up on this immigration issue, thats my opinion
<4> don't make your opinion on a person
<3> toomey... that's great... still no actual arguments... just emotive pictures and telling people to "wake up"
<5> There are over 10 million illegals in the USA now
<6> <5> The US has made over 50 armend invasions into other nations since WWII <-- and all but 1 of these was with UN mandate and UN member nations support
<3> That's very high school debate cl*** of you.
<1> pickle: And I will oppose politicians that are pro-war, pro-tax, pro-interventionist, and pro-big government.
<8> toomey, you are devoiced (Requested by Glock21 )
<3> stfu
<7> ajofi: No, not starting with WWI. Starting with the Revolutionary War. If you think that America wasn't involved in war after war throughout the 18th and 19th centuries you'd better reread your history.
<9> [01:43] <@Pickle> America is a warrior-state, and some Americans had better wake up to that reality. <--- Your kidding right ???
<0> mark Gelling
<1> This country will eventually be faced with an inability to pay the bills. And the decision of our militarism will be decided for us.
<0> Ghelling?
<0> Go Rush Go!
<0> Zycam!
<0> see Publius we get to hear his voice today!
<0> woo hooo!
<4> ooooh
<3> ajofi... sounds familiar... same thing was argued 20 some odd years ago under Reagan.
<4> commercial
<4> you ***
<3> Wrong then... wrong now.
<6> good lord `426Hemi, put more **** on one line
<0> hahahahah
<9> [01:43] <@Pickle> America is a warrior-state, and some Americans had better wake up to that reality. <--- Your kidding right ????
<7> rond: No.
<3> But hey... at least you're consistent.
<9> k
<1> pickle: The revolutionary war was our civil war. I don't count it not because it doesn't add to the argument that we are violent, but because it was an internal war.
<0> man, boy i tell yah, some people just can't be satisfied
<9> hmmm
<5> Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, all had UN support for invading?
<0> yes
<9> Lost all interest in anything else you have to say anymore
<6> StanleyI yes
<9> Ohh well its irc wheeeeeee
<0> more countries voted for UN action in Iraq than voted against
<7> ajofi: Don't count it all you want, the fact remains that since its inception America has been fighting wars. Throughout the 18th century. Throughtout the 19th century. And yes, throughout the 20th century too.
<0> Vietnam was an official UN action
<3> ajofi... and the wars with france and britain and native american tribes later don't count either?
<1> glock21: Yes and 20 years ago under Reagan some 40% of the deficit was not being financed by foreign countries, but rather by investors, largely domestic.
<0> south koreans went into Vietnam under a UN flag
<0> as did the brits
<4> Turner bashing Bush
<6> StanleyI Vietnam, Afghanistan, the Gulf War, all had UN support
<0> and Aussies
<4> he's done
<1> glock21: Today it is 40% financed through foreign countries which means a significant chunk of our annual budget is spent paying interest to those foreign countries. Money being siphoned out of the U.S.
<0> Afghanistan is currently under a NATO flag
<10> KoBushi: so did Somalia and Bosnia / Kosovo I believe
<3> ajofi... as I recall reagan ran significant deficits as well that also included a great big chunk of foreign investments.
<6> ItsaSecrt correct
<1> glock21: It's history repeating itself all over again. The dollar has devalued 95% of what it was in the early 1900's.
<5> ajofi..nice observation
<3> Not as big, but still pretty damn big.
<10> 426: NATO is basically the UN's military arm
<0> but UN is there in a supportive way
<0> NO its not Itsasecrt
<10> 426: It's a UN-authorized action, but NATO is running the show
<1> glock21: It was nowhere near 40%.
<0> no its not
<0> China and Russia have never voted for action in Afghanistan
<4> ItsaSecrt: NATO is much better than the UN. They have a number of Swedish and Australian troops
<10> in Gulf War, the coalition didn't paint themselves blue and white. They were NATO countries, and some arab states, operating with UN authorization
<4> I believe
<0> nor do they have support troops
<1> glock21: It was like 5%. The trade deficit with China was nowhere near as high, thus China didn't have the dollars to be putting into U.S. treasury securities.
<1> Now China has so many frigging dollars being floated there way they have nothing else really to do with them except buy our debt instruments and prop up our economy.
<0> its a completely nato mission
<10> Publius: I agree. The UN is almost totally irrelevant. NATO is not.
<10> is Turkey in NATO?
<0> UN has humanitarian services Afghanistan under NATO protection
<4> Yes
<0> Turkey is in NATO
<4> since 1963
<1> Fiat dollar.
<1> Fiat economy.
<11> toomey is banned (Requested by Glock21 )
<0> ahhh
<5> ajofi..knows economics
<0> and Iran! Iran so far away!
<12> http://i.a.cnn.net/cnn/2006/TECH/space/03/29/eclipse.reut/top.libya.sun.afp.gi.jpg
<0> hehhee
<7> There's a pre-nuke quote that some of you should take to heart.
<6> Pickle what do you mean by "tribute" ?
<4> me neither
<0> hahahahha Pickle
<0> LOL!
<5> ajofi..knows things are not getting better
<0> thats gooood!
<4> 426Hemi: what does that mean?
<7> KoBushi: It's a quote that came out of the Barbary Wars, referring to the fact that America would spend millions to defeat its enemies but not a penny to appease them.
<6> Pickle ah, I see
<4> I like that policy
<9> I do to
<6> well, just so long as reconstruction isn't missconstrued as appeasment
<4> lol
<5> Trade between China and the USA is 6 to 1
<7> Barbary War: Fought in 1801, wholly on foreign soil. By Thomas Jefferson.
<7> Take a lesson from that.
<13> why would you appease your enemies if you can just defeat them
<12> Canada is the first country after Israel to formally cut ***istance to the Palestinian Authority and other nations were expected to follow suit. With Hamas now at the helm, the cash-strapped Palestinian government faces a crippling international economic boycott,
<10> turkey's not in NATO http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nato#Membership
<4> Jefferson said something that wasn't that traitorous?
<9> Love it when canadians tell us how to think
<0> Go Pickle Go!
<10> oops, i lied, turkey IS in nato, sorry
<0> the barbary war was viscous
<9> stupid but love to see it...keeps me informed of how canadians really are
<4> ItsaSecrt: LOL...you can't save this
<0> we fought the africans and their islamy fundementalists with less than 25 people again 1000's
<0> and kicked their freakin ***es
<0> we had some friends
<0> but thats beside the point
<0> Ka-Booom!
<0> our cannons were awesome
<0> they made huge noise and idiots charged our cannons one after another
<0> and would literally get blown apart
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