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Comments:
<0> It would appear to help candidates. But in the end it will destroy the party so what good will it be..
<0> We will be the minority party again.
<1> And so the pendulum swings
<2> pick. wilson was the biggest hhypocrite
<3> B. Saddam was a threat to the region <----- HE INVADED 2 OTHER COUNTRIES in less than 20 Freakin YEARS
<0> The left wins, Troops come home almost immediately or things get worse in Iraq. Relations with the entire middle east suffer. Taxes are raised, and its a downhill ride.
<2> he only jumped onto that proposition late in the game
<3> but NAHHHHH he wasn't a threat
<4> Linus: Early enough to wreck his chances of re-election.
<1> Relations with the entire middle east were doomed to suffer the moment we invaded Iraq.
<1> Starting the blame game now on "liberals" is totally laughable.
<5> like a pinch of the neck of mr spock!
<2> wilson's first campaign was financed largely by big agribusiness
<0> Wilson though popular at the moment because it was a hot button issue. It is an issue people wind down from and when they did he was toast.
<2> so for years he looked the other way as these companies employed illegals
<1> 426: He was a threat to two countries, not the region. And the Iranians successfully defended themselves.
<3> ajofi, how is a leader who is determined to obtain WMD's in a region of states that he invaded his neighbors twice already NOT constitute a threat?
<2> in fact, he added a rider on immigration reform bill when he was a senator
<3> ajofi, only 2 countries huh?
<1> 426: And the region isn't a state of the United States. We have no jurisdiction there. Our intervention is unwarranted, and unnecessary.
<3> how about all those suicide bombers Saddam was paying off to blow themselves up in Israel?
<2> which took the heat off of companies hiring illegals if i recall correctly
<3> don't be an idiot
<0> People are conflicted, this is typically the democrats area, anti immigration to protect the unions monopoly, but with no union anymore, they have to appeal to more base instincts.
<3> in 1999 Saddam had the largest build up of tanks on the Saudi border than at any time before the first Iraq war
<0> Linus, But the economy demands that they be hired.
<4> ajofi: No, he was a threat to the region. Had he successfully absorbed Kuwait the belief was that the Saudis were probably next. Which is why we went to war in '91.
<1> 426: The United States has WMD to protect itself. I see no illogical or unexpected behavior on the part of any country that builds weapons to protect itself.
<2> FreeMrkts, there are hidden costs to hiring them
<0> Your going to imprison americans for hiring illegals even if you pay taxes and social security ?
<0> Thats ****ing fascist, (Loosely used again)
<2> like ERs going bankrupt and health insurance premiums rising
<0> So the democrats support giving them welfare but not helping the economy ?
<4> ajofi: He was also considered a threat to world stability, since nobody wanted a nut like him in control of that much of the world's oil supply at the time.
<2> and schools diverting funding away from general ed to ELL
<0> They want them here, but without jobs ?
<1> pickle: That's absurd, they'd just fought an 8 year war with Iran. Iraq could not have invaded Saudi Arabia successfully.
<0> Kill the buisnessman and jobs ?
<2> i don't agree with the dems on this one
<1> Besides, what army would have gone into Saudi Arabia and for what reason? Mostly shiites? Into Sunni dominated Saudi Arabia? It would have been a suicide mission. I would have let me try it.
<1> him
<5> This is the city of brotherly love, and crime
<5> do do do
<0> Ajofi, Saudi Arabia is one of the countries I said would be a long hall..
<1> Saudi Arabia is a problem if pushed too far too soon.
<4> ajofi: Iraq in control of Kuwait would have been able to easily rebuilt their military with Kuwaiti oil revenues, and further develop WMDs. The scenario was known as the "Super-Iraq" scenario and nobody wanted to take the chance of it becoming a reality.
<4> Hence we went to war.
<1> It should have been 100% a U.N. mission.
<4> No, it shouldn't have been.
<3> why?
<2> iamgine if 260+ billion had been spent on alternative, renewable energy research and implementation
<3> Bosnia wasn't a 100% UN mission
<2> sigh
<3> Rwanda wasn't even considered
<1> The U.S. military's job is to protect OUR borders.
<3> why rely on the UN?
<1> I don't agree with the Bosnia mission.
<3> in fact it was UN that helped load the trucks that killed 8000+ Bosnians
<0> The Monarchy knows the west is right, or at least on many issues.. It is the holiest country for muslims, so its going to be very difficult and a long process for them to reform. on the other hand the saudi security forces are fighting these terrorists they created or allowed to be created now with a vengeance, they arrested abourt oh 40 or 50 I think the other day or yesterday.
<2> bosnia was more nato than UN
<3> shall i show you pictures of UN missions in Somalia?
<0> Iraq, if it works, will be something people on the other side of the pasture look over the fence at and say, Hey, I want that..
<2> yeah, somalians are so hospitable!
<4> Had it been a "100% UN mission", it wouldn't have changed the fact that the major military force behind it was the United States. It merely would have put American troops under foreign leadership, which was at the time and still is considered unacceptable.
<3> http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/POLITICS/UN/peace.html <--- there is the UN(Belgium) peacekeepers keeping peace
<1> Our governments and military have way too much money or they wouldn't be involved in all of these bull**** wars.
<2> FreeMrkts, how does iraq get beyond the ethnic hatred though?
<6> But for Iraq to work it must be more moderate than even Afghanistan which is considered mostly a success but obviously it has a long ways to go.
<3> ajofi, and when we don't have money the likes of Hitler comes to power
<2> i mean, the shiites that won the majority are not secular
<0> Damnit
<3> and takes advantage
<0> I dotn want FreeTrade now.
<7> hahahahhaha
<1> 426: If we cut military spending 75%, we'd still have the biggest military in the world.
<7> I know it feels violated or something afterwards
<2> like a spent condom
<3> FT, thats why i don't use RustyFord anymore
<0> No its not that Rusty, A nick is not that important to me
<0> I wont let a nick define me.
<3> feels like someone elses underware or something
<4> FreeTrade is easier to freakin' type.
<3> hahahah
<8> Nick completion
<0> Pickle hehe, Use FT still or RW or Free
<3> people know what i mean when I say FT
<4> TheTailor: That's for the weak.
<9> my nick means nada
<0> My nick will probably always have Free in it.
<3> FreeTime
<9> try kicking field goals through me
<0> because my most important value in life is freedom
<2> I AM LINUS
<3> that would be a good nick
<2> I AM A BIG SILLY LIBERAL
<2> HAHAWHAHA
<3> WorkTime and FreeTime
<9> wibral
<4> Well, I've tried changing my nick in the past, and everyone just kept calling me "Pickle".
<0> Hes been going around for weeks making enemies with the nick FreeTrade
<3> hehhehe Pick=)
<10> I banned FreeTrade from #israel!
<10> the bad one ;)
<0> Tim again today ?
<0> Cool
<0> thanks :)
<4> I'd really rather be something more bad*** than "Pickle", but c'est la vie.
<0> Hes changed his nick now but you remember his host right /
<0> ?
<0> Wrong.domain.name ?
<0> i think
<10> Free: nah, before; welcome. :)
<10> right!
<0> domain.name
<3> heheh BadPickle
<10> bad pickles are sweet
<5> Pickle, I would also like to be something more bad*** then Herzen, but you know
<11> NukedCuke
<10> Herzickle
<12> change it to klausun
<3> SicklePickle but it won't fit
<3> er
<0> I am not going to hang out long this morning I have work
<3> Skyle
<4> Pickle will do.
<11> NukedCuke dammit!
<10> \pickpickle
<3> er however its spelled
<10> Sick*
<4> Man
<11> Pfickle
<4> I can't believe I'm finally done all my individual work for university
<4> Just some group work and a couple of finals and that's it.
<0> Congrats, Pickle ... Thats cool.
<4> Then I can go spit on the Dean's desk and never return.
<0> haha
<10> Pickle: whatll your degree be in?
<11> yeeeeeiiiiiiiiiiiiiaaaaaaaaargh!
<3> Spit?
<8> On his desk?
<11> oh not that dean
<3> man i thought that said **** for sure
<0> A furian, Defiant to the end ;)
<4> Timur: Business Administration with a submajor in Human Resources Management.
<13> herzen=heart
<0> Chronicles of Rid****
<8> Grind a lit Kool into his carpet
<3> freudian slip
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