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<0> Linus: The authority of Al-Azhar--basically the highest authority in Sunni Islam--commands far more loyalty than the Ayatollahs.
<1> so if you want to know who erodes your rights... look no further than the likes of liberals you support
<2> Rusty: I thought it was because our government was pretty responsive to the popular will, generally.
<3> This is very true Tailor, and it's a problem. But how does bombing a country that was largely secular compared to the surrounding countries solve the problem of Islamic extremism?
<0> Muslims listen to these guys. The average Muslim on the street follows their dictums.
<4> bbl...
<3> I argue it does not. I argue it makes it worse.
<1> Timur, popular will says the majority of us wants to end this stupid drug war, where is the government? *crickets*
<2> maybe it needs to get worse before getting better
<2> Rusty: I'm not sure it does..
<3> Maybe it should have been left alone.
<5> Abusive Domain or User
<6> 09:07:04 29/03/2006 LOG
<7> ajofi, it bring hopefully democracy and a better life for those people, the word spreads and the m***es see that the leaders they follow don't give a flying **** about them.
<3> Tailor: HOPEFULLY?!
<3> you want to base foreign policy on HOPE?
<2> maybe there's no such thing as 'being left alone' in an increasingly interdependent world, and that whole idea is a fallacy.
<1> polls across the USA including in the several states, who have already legalised marijuana and such, have been stymied by the federal government
<7> ajofi, I don't predict the future, unlike you.
<0> TheTailor: That's why I'm not particularly interested in excuses. You can say that the Muslim world support murder, or that they simply don't speak up against it. Makes no difference to me as to what the consequences should be.
<7> ajofi, so yes, hopefully.
<1> polls clearly indicate that a vast majority of americans wish to legalise marijuana for medical purposes at least
<3> Idealism ****s.
<1> by margins of 75%
<3> Realism is where it's at.
<1> where is the government? *crickets*
<7> ajofi, what's your alternative?
<3> foreign policy based on emotion
<6> Ajofi, Foreign Policy has always been based on either hope of tyranny. I think hope is better.
<2> yes, realism. Like the realism acknowledging American empire, and the interdependence of nations, and the dangers of terrorism and WMD proliferation
<3> My alternative is called "self-determination". These people have the right to determine their own future.
<3> We stole that right from them.
<1> Timur, what American "empire"?
<6> Wilson and Rossevelt and JFK and Truman, Even Nixon had policies based on hope.
<8> economic/resource empire
<7> ajofi, they are determined to commit murder, and they are.
<6> Clinton didnt have a cohesive foreign policy so you cant say anything.
<1> what economic empire?
<2> brb phone
<1> where is this empire that the left keep talking about
<1> China has the largest economy in the world
<1> and the fastest growing
<1> empire (mpr) KEY
<1> NOUN:
<1> A political unit having an extensive territory or comprising a number of territories or nations and ruled by a single supreme authority.
<8> um, all currencies pegged to the dollar for starters
<1> so what?
<1> thats their choice
<3> Tailor: They are severely limited where and how they can commit murder.
<0> America isn't an empire. There is one empire left: the Russian empire.
<0> And it is much diminished.
<6> The real desire there is to see that we are not all bad, we did in Iraq what Usama promised but couldnt do. Took down an arab regime and replaced it with Iraqi democracy as bad as it may be. Of course Usama wanted to take down all the arab states and make it like the Taliban.
<3> I only care that they cannot commit it here. Having a m***ive sprawling war on the other side of the planet costing us billions of dollars is buying us HOPE? That is very ****ing expensive hope.
<0> America isn't even an "economic empire". Look at the most economically powerful organizations out there--they are multinationals.
<1> you couldn't even consider USA a Monopoly
<7> ajofi, limited to what? The world? Remember Spain, Bali, New York?
<3> And it's not hope I want to purchase.
<8> i don't think its meant to be interpreted as a geographical empire
<8> its the modern version of it
<0> They don't belong to America, and many of them aren't even headquartered there.
<9> Whats wrong with being an empire?
<7> ajofi, London, Moracco...
<9> If I was American, instead of whining about being an Empire
<9> i'd be pretty pleased
<1> you have the Sterling, the pound, the Yuan, the yan etc etc
<3> Tailor: A cost of having a free and open society. The number of people killed in all three events was statistically insignificant compared to the annual death rate for each country.
<9> You have the power, militarily and economically, as well as the culture, to influence any country in the world
<1> the rubel
<9> Whats so bad about that?
<1> te EU'er
<1> the
<3> Not that I think we shouldn't do more in the way of real border security.
<8> Herzen, shrug
<7> ajofi, we are after criminals that commit murder here too.
<3> Yep.
<0> The most you can really say about America is that they are a cultural empire, but no one forces American culture down anyone's throats.
<1> Herzen yes "influence" does not imply "ownership" or empirical status
<6> Empire is like fascist, used very loosely today. I even used the term fascist or quasi-fascist the other day..Because I know it was not factual fascism. Because the a philosophy of Mussolini in truth not a word which really means tyrant which is What I was using it to describe.
<9> `426Hemi, right
<1> as you well know
<3> But the deaths were statistically insignificant. Completely unworthy of war.
<9> `426Hemi, I agree, I don't think USA is an empire
<9> `426Hemi, but if it was, and I was American, i'd be happy
<1> but the lefties like to portray us as the "Dark Side" "The Empire!"
<9> They need to grow up a bit though
<9> George Bush is not Darth Vader, and Fundamentalist Islam is not the rebel alliance
<1> hahahahahaah
<6> We are the light of the world, not the darkness, we are one of few nations who have the balls to do anything about tyranny in the world.
<1> "Lukey, Lukey, I'm not your Father!"
<0> But again, it doesn't matter if America is a true empire or not--it's a matter of semantics. It doesn't make Huntington any less correct when he points out that western civilization dominates the planet for one simple reason: we are better than anyone else at the directed use of violence.
<8> the thing that bothers me the most in iraq right now is that essentially we are training security forces which are infiltrated by insurgents and those with ethnic reprisal on the brain
<6> And before I hear the rebuttal, I will say in advance, some regimes will take a lot more time.
<6> And we cant just force it.
<6> We need a national interest as well.
<0> And, as Huntington also points out, we might have forgotten that fact, but the rest of the world hasn't.
<1> Use the Schwarts Luke!
<6> We had a national interest in Iraq.
<6> Thats a fact.
<9> Pickle, I don't think the important people in our society have forgotten that
<1> we had an international interest in Iraq
<3> FreeMrkts: What national interest is that?
<9> Pickle, maybe the public, but *shrug*
<6> If it was not a faq we would of not patrolled its air space since the early 1990s
<1> more than 30+ nations helped us out in Iraq, more than in Gulf War 1
<0> Herzen: You think that the NDP understands this? I sure as **** don't and I'm NDP.
<6> Rusty I believe the number was 40 or more
<0> Nor do I think that most Democrats understand this.
<9> Pickle, Since when is the NDP important?
<6> or very close to 40 if not.
<3> What was our national interest in going into Iraq in the first place?
<1> FT, yeh I know it was more than in GW1
<0> Nor most Liberals.
<8> the security forces we're training aren't even legitimized by the iraqi ruling council, because they have no control of them
<3> The sovereign state of Kuwait? I don't think so.
<0> Chretien CERTAINLY didn't understand it.
<0> And he was important.
<3> Not very sovereign if you can't protect your own borders from invasion.
<1> ajofi, so we could end 12 years of money wasted sanctions
<1> time wasted
<9> Okay
<1> money wasted
<9> I'll be back in 5 pages
<9> afk
<1> the entire works
<8> so different segments of the council are training their own lilitias
<6> The Gop is Destroying itself right now. And I think we risk losing the congress.
<8> militias
<6> Our advantage a 1 and a half ago is eroding mainly because we are no longer presenting a united front because of some hot button domestic issues.
<0> FreeMrkts: The GOP is done in November thanks to Bill Frist and the rest of the ethnic cleansing crowd, and **** 'em.
<8> FreeMrkts, bush sure chose an odd time to push immigration reform, eh
<3> 426: I'm talking about the Persian Gulf War. That was before sanctions.
<6> Pickle, Well You said what I said but without diplomacy, I agree with you.
<0> If I thought that Frist was ever going to support the m***-deportation of 11 million people I'd have supported Kerry in 04.
<6> Pickle, I agree.
<1> ajofi, you come in here with the same arguement every single day, every single day we provide you with the facts that A. Saddam wanted to continue his weapons program, B. Saddam was a threat to the region, C. Saddam was a murdering thug who was a genocidal maniac
<9> Doesn't these immigration issues really play to the Republicans base?
<1> every day, we give you links and facts to provide back up for this information
<6> I hope in the end its settled.. I dont think Frist wins. But I fear the party coming apart because of paranoia of 911 and a desire to appease the people rather than do the right thing.
<3> None of which has anything to do with the U.S.
<1> every single day you come in asking the same damn questions
<0> Herzen: Ask Pete Wilson
<1> every single day we come back with the same damn arguement
<6> I think probably its about a 50% split.
<3> And I dispute your B case because even Iran wasn't feeling threatened by Iraq at the time of the Persian Gulf war.
<6> Herzen, Its a ****ers bet.
<8> what irks me is what the debate hasnt been about: sure our economy relies on these workers to keep prices down, but at the cost of surging health care costs and diversion of public education funds away from the general populaxce towards english learner programs
<9> Eh
<6> It would appear to help candidates. But in the end it will destroy the party so what good will it be..
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