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<0> nah au
<1> bud: true
<1> that must have made russia worry
<1> just put a nuke on turkey
<1> aimed right at them
<2> turkey's cheap in the US
<3> the missiles they had in Cuba had enough range to take out our bomber bases
<2> pretty much
<2> but then, its native bird
<0> turkeys look so funny then they makle that ridiculous noise
<0> they make me laugh
<1> bud: LOL
<1> John McCone, director of the CIA, warned President Kennedy that some of the ships were probably carrying missiles; however, John and Robert Kennedy, Dean Rusk, and Robert McNamara concluded that the Soviets would not try such a thing.
<0> you shouldve made that your national bird and put it on your crest
<1> WRONGO
<2> cuban missile crisis: BORING
<0> wouldve been hillarious
<3> occ its not boring at all to someone just learning about it
<1> seriously dude
<4> A nuclear exchange between the USA and Soviet Union wouldn't have necessarily meant the end of the world, or even a possible treaty after a few exchanges.
<3> Publius lots of the people who were around kennedy while it was all going down have written books about it, if you're into reading
<1> bud: oh yeah
<1> I just don't know titels
<1> titles
<1> I spent about an hour browsing through the military history section at borders last night
<1> didn't know what to get
<5> Publius, hello, Roman orator.
<1> OH
<1> here is the issue
<1> The planned arsenal was forty launchers, an increase in Soviet first strike capacity of 70%.
<3> the U2 spy flights showed around a dozen the first time right?
<3> then they figured there were more
<3> and then even more arriving on ships
<3> i cant remember
<1> it got one the very first
<3> the military commanders just wanted to storm cuba
<3> take all the russian stuff out in one swift ***ault
<1> shshhh
<1> not there yet
<4> military commanders also wanted to drop atomic bombs on china in the korean war.
<1> wow
<1> JFK found out on the 14th of oct there were 4 function launch pads
<1> he told the American people on the 21st
<0> why wopuld they bomb china whenb theyre at war with korea?
<1> man
<1> if they had invaded Cuba
<1> hoooo damn
<1> bud: ah, it listed 3 guys who pushed action frequently
<3> Publius yeah
<1> oh ****
<1> but
<1> they had faulty intel
<3> kennedy and his advisor and his bro were fighting their own military as well as the russians
<3> the hawks wanted to invade
<1> I need to read a non wiki
<1> I love wiki, but this needs specifics
<1> hmm
<3> you could check the movie 13 Days, but thats kind of dramatized
<3> maybe see it, but make sure you read the actual books first
<1> bud: have you looked at all the documents that have been decl***ifed
<3> or at some point
<3> prolly not
<1> http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/nsa/cuba_mis_cri/index.htm
<1> they got audio clips
<3> oh man i bet those are some golden audio clips
<3> so much for goin to bed
<1> http://www.hpol.org/jfk/cuban/
<1> the debates between kennedy and his officers
<4> So is Abdul Rahman the only Christian in Afghanistan?
<3> 'lo Bokavitch
<1> LOL
<6> hey
<1> The case was conclusively proved on October 25 at an emergency session of the UN Security Council. U.S. Amb***ador Adlai Stevenson attempted to force an answer from Soviet Amb***ador Valerian Zorin as to the existence of the weapons, famously demanding, "Don't wait for the translation!" Upon Zorin's refusal, Stevenson produced photographs taken by U.S. surveillance aircraft showing the missile installations in Cuba.
<6> what's everyone up to?
<1> Cuban Missle Crisis
<3> Publius that was the GOLDEN moment right there
<1> first time learning about it here
<1> He straight up denied it
<3> if you can, find a transcript of the session
<3> with ppl accusing the USA of lying and warmongering
<3> then the whipped out the evidence
<3> PWNED
<3> the=they
<1> I want to say to you, Mr. Zorin, that I do not have your talent for obfuscation, for distortion, for confusing language, and for doubletalk. And I must confess to you that I am glad that I do not!
<7> cuban missile crisis is exactly why iran is a problem
<1> bud: THis Guy is better THAN BOLTON
<1> But if I understood what you said, you said that my position had changed, that today I was defensive because we did not have the evidence to prove our ***ertions, that your Government had installed long-range missiles in Cuba.
<8> What about people that say that the US was incorrect on a few important things and that is reason to not trust what the government says?
<1> Well, let me say something to you, Mr. Amb***adorwe do have the evidence. We have it, and it is clear and it is incontrovertible. And let me say something elsethose weapons must be taken out of Cuba.
<1> bud: THe War in IRaq seems a lot like something to me
<1> this little "No WMD" stund
<3> which war lol
<1> current
<3> yeah
<3> sorry, n/m
<3> I see 2 wars going on
<1> I never believed the "no weapons" stunt
<2> pride cometh before a fall, though
<8> I don't think you could ever know.
<1> http://www.mtholyoke.edu/acad/intrel/adlai.htm
<2> dont ever forget that
<1> occ: lol
<8> I mean with the current state off affairs.
<9> wow, Dark Kingdom is pretty good!
<1> sintie: that's a good point...however I find myself pretty good a researching
<1> I've got my info on this
<2> on what?
<8> For one sadaam wanted everyont to think he was packing nukes and chemical weapons.
<8> It was to scare and gain power.
<1> occ: nothing you twit
<1> !
<6> Anyone see the episode of The Daily Show last week with the Iraqi General Georges Sada who wrote a book saying that they moved weapons to syria?
<8> On the other hand he signed them away in 92.
<3> there's the actual war going on in the ground in iraq, then there's this other war going on involving 'america must fail' elements of society, all propaganda, media, rhetoric
<8> but he still wanted to be a bad ***.
<1> sintie: and he still killed people
<8> So fake documents of weapons seems likely.
<1> and had some ****
<1> but
<1> he also DID NOT think the US would invade
<8> Right I mean an ak can kill a complete nuclear family.
<8> He was told the US didn't care by the us amb***ador before he invaded kuwait.
<1> and he could ahve easily shipped the weapons to syria in the meantime
<1> sintie: I dunno about that war yet
<8> It was england prime minister that convinced the US president that kuwait was their filling station and needed to stay in kuwaiti hands.
<8> Check out Gillespie.
<2> nah, **** jazz
<8> Last name of the US amb***ador to Iraq.
<1> http://www.mtholyoke.edu/acad/intrel/cuba.htm
<8> The amb***ador told iraq that the US was not intrerested in arab vs arab conflict.
<1> Gillespie?
<4> Before the US goes to conscription they should at least lower the standards to get into the Armed Forces (I don't mean that in a bad way)
<2> the us isnt going to conscription
<2> gimme a break
<1> Alkaiser: we do have a significant advantage over basically all our potential enemies
<8> So saddaam went to take kuwait to get some money back from what he had spent on the 8 year 1.2 trillion dollar iraq iran war.
<4> If they wanna have wars in Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, and North Korea simotaneously they're gonna need it.
<2> nope
<8> The amb***ador back in Gulf War I days.
<3> bush could say we are going to remain an all volunteer military until he's blue in the face, idiots will still say bush = draft!!
<2> volunteer military is quite sufficient
<2> yah, im so worried about getting drafted
<2> NOBODY wants a draft
<3> Alkaiser the military effectively has 5 million bodies it could deploy if a real war situation arised
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