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Comments:
<0> no theyre tough on drugs
<1> redfish did you drive on teh 405 this afternoon ?
<0> they just support protests and the right to strike
<2> no on the 101
<2> brb
<0> trade unions etc
<3> Lupine: really, then why did the world flock to the US ?
<4> Herzen, actually in a way it does, freedom to do more things = more freedom.
<5> redfish: I think having them as "felons" would be a great thing. They could not run for office, vote, etc
<5> libert: for the economic advantages
<1> some "student protestors" were swarming the 405 freeway, right there in traffic
<0> the capitalist party here iis banning trade unions the right to protest and the right to dissent
<3> lupine: due to.... whats that word.. FREEDOM
<6> Publius, Blair has supported gay rights more then any previous British Prime Minister. Under his Labour Government, the age of consent was equalized, civil unions for gay couples were enacted and the ban on gays in the British armed forces was lifted.
<6> P_O, actually, in this context it doesn't, economic freedom is much larger and broader then the freedom to get ****in stoned
<5> libert: naw.. look how the US has no true-freedom of basic self defense, only two states recognize the 2nd amendment
<7> Herzen: well...I don't have a particular problem with that
<6> P_O, having the freedom to be stoned and not having economic freedom, is outweighed by not having the freedom to be stoned and having economic freedom
<6> P_O, get it?
<3> Lupine: modern day, sure. im refering to pre-socialized US
<8> the freedom to be stoned?
<9> FT finally got his nick back.
<8> oh, wasted.
<10> Free -- you got your nick back -- bout time!!
<6> Publius, hes also is against the Death Penalty
<4> I think you slipped a not in there when you didn't mean to :P
<0> herzen under my version of socialism people still have the right to own p[roperty even hospitals and schools
<6> Which ****s ***.
<8> I liked FreeMrkts better :)
<11> I think he did too
<11> lol
<7> Herzen: oooh..thats not good
<3> tweek: freedom means allowing people to do what they want in their private social and economic lives.
<0> read alp.org.au if you wanna see what theyre like
<11> he will probably change it back
<5> lib: well, the 2nd amendment was effectively-repealed in 1913 or 1934 [ depending on where you peg it ]
<0> and theyre some of the toughest on drugs in the world btw
<8> freedom's IMO synonomous with ability
<12> FreeTrade: you should get a bnc :)
<10> Comet -- well I was going to send him the ip of the little thief -- but ehh -- now that he has gotten the nick back - well
<1> it's fun to fick with nick thieves though, set a script to take it back eventually, and make them actually think you care so they have to do more work in taking it again
<0> 20 years prison for more than 20 plants and its going to get tougher soon
<1> fick? ****
<13> giid
<13> *good
<0> thats nsw state labour though
<0> federal pareties dont control drug laws here
<7> the UN supports the coalition in Iraq?
<7> pahahaha
<7> whooops
<0> but i vote for the greens at state, with some gripes
<0> but i like some of thier policies
<0> federal i vote labour though
<0> i vote green for local too
<0> and they actually hold my seat so i won ;]
<6> Publius, one thing you'll learn about me, is i'm a pretty big social conservative
<14> Stealing FTs nick is like stealing a fine piece of art; what the hell are you gonna do with it? :))
<0> herzen think chinas social policies are a good model
<6> Publius, so things like, sending people to prison for a long time for selling drugs, not allowing abortion, not devaluing marriage, is all very important to me
<6> subjaz2, I think you're a twit, son.
<7> Herzen: I doubt I'm as socialist as you, be we aren't that similar
<0> ive heard you say that b4
<6> Publius, i'm not a socialist silly
<15> Herzen, thats not being a social conservative then lol
<7> Herzen: I MIGHT be ok with a very very efficient government health care system
<7> sorry
<7> Socail
<7> Social
<15> i dont see u as a social conservative herzy
<1> I do
<15> i see you more as extreme right without the religion
<1> lol
<7> LOL
<6> I might as well be religious
<6> I have all the values
<4> Actually in many ways Herzen isn't that right-wing.
<8> stop mincing words.
<8> he's a ****ing fascist.
<4> He's more authoritarian than anything.
<6> tweek, my job is to make your life not fun
<7> Blair said none of the worlds problems are evils will be solved with America
<15> he is deffinitely anti some basic fundamental freedoms
<15> which isntbeing a social conservative hehe
<6> the right to summarily murder your child, or to shoot up are not fundamental
<6> sorry
<8> heh, well, you're not doing a good job of it :)
<7> "The worst thing to fear from America is if they raise their bridge and close the door"
<1> if you're conservative on social issues, that's socially conservative
<1> you're just saying he's also conservative on more than just that
<6> US-Male, right, which i am
<7> US-Male: stupid titles
<7> labels
<0> i dont think abortion is a great thing but i still think it should be legally, what if the child is severely disabled or the mothers health is at risk or if they cant afford to feed the kid
<1> Herzen: I'd say so
<13> Herz: amen to that
<16> i used to think herzen was sorta liberal
<10> subjaz2 if can't afford to feed - put child out for adoption
<17> Herzen used to be extreme lefty =)
<14> oh no...pleeeeze, not the abortion issue again! Ill jump off a friggen bridge!
<0> these labels mean different things everywhere you go too, theyre generally just used to elicit emotions and therefore votes from people
<7> Herzen, TImur,: yeah, I'm probably with you guys
<4> I think abortion should be legal, mainly because if the mother can ignore her hormones and do it, it probably means the kid wouldn't have had a great life anyway.
<13> ok!
<0> same as words like freedom
<8> ok, no abortion issue? I'll bring up another
<10> rape, incest and severe medical condition are the only three things that should be allowed for "abortion"
<15> Publius, blair was ok right up until the point were he said, "the rules of the game have changed" and then started bringing in all these new powers for the police and stuff. Then he turned into just another conservayive.
<8> gay adoption. discuss
<16> gay abortion
<6> tweek, I disagree with gay adoption
<14> heads for the SunShine Skyway!!!
<4> tweek, I agree strongly with it.
<0> kaluina i would possibly include poverty in that too but im pretty close to your stance
<3> Kaliuna: what if the fetus has downs syndrome?
<6> tweek, Not because I think that homo***uals will rape their kids or anything silly like that, infact I think they might love them
<8> yeah, was reading some paper proclaiming that it shouldn't be allowed and foster parents should be banned as well (in Florida)
<4> We have way too many kids up for adoption and imo not enough people to take them in.
<3> Kaliuna: removing the parents right to abort a failed fetus is cruel.
<0> thats whjat she means libert
<3> ah.. good
<14> most of these debates end up....baby killers versus life lovers....:)
<6> tweek, but I believe its psychologically damaging for a child to grow up in a household with such disproportionate influences between the ***es, I think its perminantly damaging and if we can avoid it (Obviously we can't outlaw single parenthood), we should, and disallowing gay adoption is just one more way to avoid that
<8> the editorial cited a few books
<8> claimed that all other studies were misleading and directed
<1> we have too many homeless -- same solution ?
<8> ... I'm not sure what the hell they had against it.
<1> Soylent Green !
<4> Herzen, eh, I know a lot of people who mystically survived being in single parent households.
<4> I don't think it's going to hurt the kids.
<8> you disallow gay adoption for that reason, you disallow single-parent adoption too.
<3> P_O: i think they're called Generation X.. heh
<8> I don't see a problem with single parents.
<4> liberT, generation Y actually.
<3> P_O: true.. it's only gotten more common..
<8> in fact, yeah, there are a *LOT* of ****ing single parents
<0> im supposed to be generation y and i was brought up by a single parent
<15> as soon as a politician deviated from the mandate he got elected on they should be removed imo.
<4> Hell, I probably would be a lot better off now if my mom had been a lesbian.
<15> instantly
<14> rofl!!!!
<8> P_O: your father ****?
<7> Blair sounds like an NWO freak
<6> P_O, You don't think that the breakdown of the family unit has effected society?
<0> my mum is bii-***ual
<3> Herzen blames Murphy Brown for the outbreak of single parents.
<0> so is my dfad
<4> tweek, yeah.
<1> P_O: they had in vitro fertilization back in those days ?
<8> Herzen: breakdown of the family unit? ****. if anything, it's changed.
<6> liberT, I blame a number of contributing factors
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