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Comments:
<0> Herzen: eh, bush is just another FDR, like most presidents before him, big government, big spenders.
<1> hooray!
<1> as long as its spent on good things.
<2> Publius -- U.S. has a strong close relationship with the old Europe before Bush
<3> liberT, welcome to any year past 1950, can I check your coat and hat?
<1> haha
<0> Herzen: that was my point :P
<3> liberT, i have no problem with security spending
<2> Publius -- You confuse arogance with strength
<4> 'LAPD Police Chief Douchebag declared the book, 'The LAPD Police Chief Is A Complete Douchebag', a public nuisance and seized all copies in a sensational SWAT team raid throughout bookstores in the city earlier today...'
<5> AAAman: I thought Clinton ran around bombing whoever and flicking off the UN
<6> Euros and the US are still close... and the ones that most strongly disagreed on Iraq before Bush still do.
<4> I mean, doesn't get any worse than that
<0> Herzen: heh, prescription drug, federalizing baggage handlers, the highway bill? .. the bridhe to nowhere..
<0> come on
<1> Herzen: you know that mission where you have to blow up the 3 tanks by yourself? that's freakin hard
<0> bridge, even
<4> family court judge ordering the restriction of sales of a book ... that decries the family court system.
<7> some a-hole "student protestors" got on the 405 freeway this afteernoon
<6> France and Russia were adamantly against our military actions in Iraq during the Clinton admin... which is why the Clinton Admin worked with the UK on most of them without UN authorization.
<2> Publius -- If Bush visits any city in Europe he needs thousands of police to protect him
<3> liberT, I disagreed with the prescription drug thing, I'm a Canadian and our pills are just fine
<8> tweek: right, and the judge who the book was about, ordering it.
<9> yep they countries who didn't support the invasaion, still don't, and those who joined have pulled out troops
<6> Germany wasn't too big on them before Bush either.
<5> AAAman: You may be right on Europe. What about India/Pakistan though?
<3> liberT, I think that was appeasement of the pharmacy lobby more then anything
<6> Same old disagreement as before.
<9> pakistan is a power keg
<8> tweek: i think that says that "family court" is really a criminal court, if he can order a book banned
<7> I would not mind if an 18-wheeler killed 20-30 of any group that walks on the freeway during a protest
<9> as it's not a democracy
<4> Lupine: exactly. this'll be overturned and that judge will be reprimanded
<6> They didn't like the US trying to enforce the ceasefire agreement outside of UN authorization specifically towards that end.
<2> Publius -- India he bribed with atomic cooperation
<3> liberT, no need to federalize baggage handlers, when you could add a couple of federal security officers at each gate for a fraction of the cost
<10> i think pakistan is a democracy
<9> pakistan vs india is still going on
<4> yeah, that's the other thing
<6> But the US made that official policy in 1991 and it remained in effect ever since.
<4> ignoring the First completely, he's clearly acting out of his authority
<9> subjaz2, nope it's lead by a general who took power in a coup
<2> Publius -- India had a huge army to protect Bush, just the same
<10> o
<5> Bloc: There is a peace treaty in the talks
<8> Thompson states his purpose: "This book was written to gain justice in the court of public opinion because justice certainly does not occur behind closed doors in these 'winner takes all' courtrooms where absolute power has corrupted absolutely. The sanctimonious claim that the secrecy of family court cases protects the privacy of the litigants is a lie.
<9> subjaz2, if the elections were held, it would be a muslim leader
<10> didnt know
<5> Bloc: possible
<6> Of course ignoring those facts is very convenient for the Bush bashing crowd.
<9> the only reason they have nukes is because of one another
<10> well i think most of the population is muslim so probably
<3> Glock21, the loudest of the Bush bashing crowd is ****ing crazy though
<0> herzen: im against federalizing most things, heh
<9> the tension is a tight as us vs ussr
<2> Publius -- India signed a huge oil deal with Iran. This is our friend
<11> dam my computer is acting up
<3> Glock21, Did you see Zombietimes March 18th post?
<6> Herzen... aye... some of the Bush supporters are pretty nuts too.
<10> i spoke to some indians about that and they said they had no idea it was happening
<10> which is bizzare
<3> Crazy? Who?
<6> heh
<5> AAAman: show me the dealio
<4> the guys in here that get off to bashing the left
<11> Herzen lol
<4> especially the people that seem to have some ****ing fixation with Kennedy
<11> tweek i don't get off
<11> tweek oh they do ****
<3> Glock21, once you learn that most of the crazy big protests around Iraq that continue today
<11> but ted kennedy did do bad
<4> they're ... ****ing gone.
<11> tweek ted is bad person tomany republican
<3> Glock21, once you learn that they're organized by basically socialist labour, and other marxist/crackpot groups
<3> Glock21, they lose a lot of credability
<6> Indeed.
<3> Glock21, for instance, ANSWER is a front for the ****ing Socialist Workers party
<11> Herzen it is
<11> didn't know that
<12> herzen did the orange revolution fail
<3> Yeah its a pretty big joke
<4> why slander something no one has heard of before?
<6> I think there are some folks out there with rational reasons to oppose it, even if I disagree with them, the disagreement tends to be more of political philosophy issues as opposed to factual arguments.
<7> phear the yellow and blue
<2> Africas important but not a priority; no nation-building. Q: Why not Africa? Why the Middle East?
<3> redfish, I didn't like where the Orange Revolution took ukraine anyways
<6> The ones that oppose **** we do just because they generally oppose the US or Republicans... well they can be pretty batty.
<3> redfish, I want Ukraine to be independant and strong, nationalist with a strong military and economy on its own
<7> what happened to that chick who was running things ?
<3> redfish, I don't want Ukraine to use Russia as a crutch, and similiarily I don't want Ukraine using the west or the EU as a crutch
<3> Both sides can **** off.
<6> AAAman... you'd have to get more specific than that. It's not like we're going to invade the entire middle east nor the entire continent of Africa.
<5> US-Male: OH
<5> OY
<2> BUSH: Somalia. It started off as a humanitarian mission then changed into a nation-building mission and that's where the mission went wrong. ...
<7> Herzen what was teh chick's name
<3> yulia
<6> Issues of security tend to come down to specific government issues of particular nations.
<3> Yulia Tymoshenko
<7> yeah
<7> whatever happened to her ?
<7> she was kinda cute for an old lady
<5> US_Male: I stole her heart ;)
<3> Yuschenko kicked her out and she went back to leading one of the opposition parties in the Parliament
<7> Publius, you dawg!
<4> Yuschenko... Orange Revolution?
<3> gopp, Many of ANSWER's leaders were members of Workers World Party (WWP) at the time of ANSWER's founding, and are current members of the Party for Socialism and Liberation (PSL), a Marxist-Leninist organization that formed in 2004.
<4> oh, ****, you guys are already talking about it
<1> ANSWER is evil
<3> Whoo
<3> Leninism!
<3> Lets try that one again
<5> WHAT
<3> Morons.
<5> oh
<5> lol
<7> in a gay way
<3> Tony Blair is okay
<5> is there any way I can go to his speech to congress?
<3> Right on Iraq
<6> It seems like most of the conflicts in Africa that get real atrocious have two ****ty sides... neither one worth supporting and the UN is typically uninterested in peace keeping forces getting involved to any worthwhile degree.
<10> the party i vote for are members of socialist international
<3> Wrong on virtually everything else domestically
<3> lol
<8> For example, last week the Judicial Standards Commission dismissed a complaint against a North Carolina family court judge. The judge was accused of ignoring a defendant's right to counsel when he insisted that a hearing proceed even though the defense attorney was absent.
<5> Herzen: DO I can about that?
<5> puhahaha
<3> If I lived in the UK
<8> and leftoids worry about the patriot act.. but ignore m***ive ***aults upon decent, law abiding US citizens
<3> I would not vote for Labour
<0> sub: why do you support socialism when it is at conflict with man's desire for freedom?
<5> LOL
<5> liberT: Hello
<0> yo pub
<6> Of course the UN was the same way even in Europe during the Yugoslavia break up and wars. They did not want to dedicate the forces needed to actually keep the peace.
<10> too much freedom causes more suffering
<10> and besides
<12> if we treated the illegals int he US as if they were in the state of PAROLE, would that constitute amnesty
<6> If they don't give a crap about their own back yard, hard to see the euros care about Africa.
<10> the party i vote for is more free than the capitalist party here
<8> liberty: i disagree that man's desire is freedom. in fact, most people seem to not want true freedom
<3> Just because they want to let you do drugs
<3> Doesn't mean they are more 'free' then a Capitalist party
<5> Herzen: Blair does have it spot on when it comes to foreign policy
<5> and morality
<10> no theyre tough on drugs
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