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<0> yeh
<1> I think when they fire rockets, Crude though they be they are very dangerous, Israel should have night patrols and when they see a rocket launched immiediately fire a missile upon the location of the launch.
<1> They has to be fire or a heat signature or something one would think.
<1> Infrared
<2> FreeMrkts: I'm pretty sure they already have that capability
<1> Like how they proved the fbi started the fire in waco and lied about it.
<1> They got it on infrared
<1> you could see the hot bullets leave their guns.
<3> FreeMrkts, the problem is that they are firing from inside the population
<2> that's why israel likes those predator drones
<1> Falcolns, inside the population of palestinians ?
<1> Well then what about commando raids to go after the people who fire ?
<4> IS that the case where that one lawyer...
<5> This Moussaoi trial is a farce and an insult to all who died on 911!!!!!!!!!!1
<1> Like a quick response commando team to take down the area with air cover
<3> FreeMrkts, that's what happend in Kana village
<4> Waco
<3> they fired from near a field hospital
<6> BAGHDAD (Reuters) - U.S. commanders in Iraq on Monday accused powerful Shi'ite groups of moving the corpses of gunmen killed in battle to encourage accusations that U.S.-led troops m***acred unarmed worshippers in a mosque.
<1> Falcoln10 I didnt hear about that one..
<7> wow i remember before so many people would scream when someone went against bush
<7> now every one is just quiet lol
<1> With Missiles as sophisticated though as today you can hit near a hospital without injuring people in the hospital.
<3> FreeMrkts, in lebanon
<6> "After the fact, someone went in and made the scene look different from what it was. There's been huge misinformation," Lieutenant General Peter Chiarelli, the second-ranking U.S. commander in Iraq, said.
<1> They fired from lebanon >?!>
<1> Damn I thought it was Gaza
<3> FreeMrkts, in 1996
<1> Well I am all for bombing the bekka valley its full of terrorists and Saddams WMD
<6> He rejected the accusations of a m***acre that prompted the Shi'ite-led government to demand U.S. forces cede control of security but declined to spell out which group he believed moved the bodies.
<1> Falcoln, Im talking though primarily contemporarily, Today
<1> This week, last month, etc.
<2> FreeMrkts: bombing cambodia-style?
<6> Government-run television has shown footage of bodies lying without weapons in what Shi'ite ministers say is a mosque compound run by radical cleric Moqtada al-Sadr. The security minister accused Iraqi and U.S. troops of killing 37 unarmed men.
<1> Look, If its all terrorists camps I have no problem with saturation bombing.
<1> probably we need provocation or we must give an ultimatum first.
<1> It depends on events..
<1> Right now things are Relatively quiet in Palestine.
<1> Ok
<5> I'm sure American Troops are so ****ed up by now theyd have no problem killing unarmed men
<1> So you have to be alert to when things heat up
<1> Thats the time to act
<5> To think these psychopaths are going to come back and become police
<7> http://www.iraqbodycount.net/ amazing little site eh ?
<5> truly scary
<1> not now when violense is at a low.
<2> I'm sure we've wiped at least a couple pakistani villages off the map without so much as a whisper about it
<1> surealist, I am sure we have not
<4> Dj: Any Idea how many Hussein killed
<1> Afghans are not so american loving that they would not report it.
<3> FreeMrkts, anyhow, this is exactly the problem, how to fight with terror from inside civilian population
<7> Publius: is that an excuse ?
<5> Saddam killed a lot with the weapons we gave him
<7> 38,000 people
<5> Shame we aren't trying him for that, itd be too embar***ing for us
<1> America does all in its power to only hit military targets, we try very hard to avoid civilian casualites
<4> DJ: Absolutely not an excuse
<3> FreeMrkts, and it is the problem the US are facing today in Iraq
<8> Publius: how many did saddam kill?
<1> the initial bombing of Iraq is proof of that.
<7> 38,000 civilians killed because of americans
<4> a lot more than 30,000
<7> trust me in 3 years husain would not have killed 38,000
<4> he gased or use chemical weapons on 30,000 or so
<1> we saw missiles level a governemnt buidling in Iraq while 3 buildings next to it, didnt even lose their electricity
<4> alone
<4> used
<1> Thats precision bombing.
<3> it mostly Islamic extermes killing Iraqies
<3> is
<8> Publius: any sources on that?
<9> That's an efficient electricity network ;)
<1> Americans are when they are behaving, following the rules, probably one of the most humanitarian armies in the world.
<1> Parlty because we have the technology which allows us to be.
<4> jimco: yep, one sec
<7> Publius: i agree husain killed alot of people, more then 30,000 but why should we kill 38,000 ?
<1> Without the technology in war we would have no choice but to exact more civilian casualties.
<10> yeh smart bombsd are cvool
<3> FreeMrkts, the american army is not a lot different than the IDF, in the way they deal with Iraq
<1> But we can do precision bombing and we spend a fortune to try to protect the innocent.
<11> DJ_HaMsTa, theyre not civilians, dumb***... they're terrorists
<3> FreeMrkts, only the US military allows themself more freedom than the IDF does :)
<8> publius: i agree he killed those people actually, but I wish there was more concrete proof/numbers
<1> Falcoln on yes we are. Our rules of engagment are much more rigid.
<8> There is too many wild estimates floating around about how many saddam killed
<3> FreeMrkts, what are your rules of engagment?
<1> We would of never allowed the leveling of a 3 story apt building with innocent people to get on bad guy, instead we would of sent special forces in to get him.
<7> panini`: we are the terrorists in their country bombins and taking ****
<1> Falcoln, To never shoot unless shot at, and to make sure the enemy is the enemy before firing
<1> WEe make mistakes yes.
<4> jicmo: here is a human rights report from 01, I'm trying to find the one for his whole regime
<12> DJ_HaMsTa prove it
<4> http://www.state.gov/g/drl/rls/hrrpt/2001/nea/8257.htm
<5> AMERICA IS THE ENEMY.
<12> Abramoff it is
<12> how so
<1> But we dont go gunning for one guy in a car and wound or kill 20 bystanders
<5> We are bent on world domination
<5> We allowed our own people to be attacked to justify this war
<3> FreeMrkts, the rules here are harder
<7> gopp: first off its been proven, if u want proff find the WMD lol
<5> It is insane
<12> Abramoff becuase you say we are the enemywe are, or are we the enmeny just cus
<8> Publius: i dont believe the U.S State Dept
<12> DJ_HaMsTa did we go to iraq for wmd?
<7> gopp: actualy yes we did.
<5> We've been the enemy since 1960 or so
<12> jimco who do you belive
<7> and to "free the iraq people"
<3> FreeMrkts, in most of the places even when fired upon, you will have to ask permission to fire back
<8> this is from 2001 and we know the u.s has faulty intelligence
<5> When the Bush Crime Familys influence came to a head
<12> DJ_HaMsTa NO we didn't
<4> jimco: didn't think you would
<5> with Richard Nixcon
<7> gopp: why did we go ?
<1> For one thing we can be more specific in our targeting, for another we dont want to kill the innocent and even if it was purely a war with no morality we ouldnt want to do it because of the propaganda harm it does to america.
<12> <7> gopp: actualy yes we did. That unture
<1> Our war in Iraq has been the most sanitary least civilian victims war in history.
<12> DJ_HaMsTa the latter was a benfit
<12> the first was false
<1> In urban combat.
<12> DJ_HaMsTa have you read un 1441
<7> gopp: ok, tell me, why are we in iraq ?
<12> DJ_HaMsTa read un 1441
<3> FreeMrkts, actually, from what i'm reading, the ROE is almost identical
<1> Look, If innocent Iraqis get killed, American mourn them and we feel very bad about it.
<12> do I need to do your homework
<1> Thats the way we are.
<8> I dont know how 1441 does anything, when the security council said no to war
<13> 1441 is deliberately ambiguous
<5> No america does not feel bad about it
<1> If its excessive we get angry abour it and demand out military act better
<1> Im very proud to be american
<12> Abramoff oh so you feel happy
<1> I am very proud of our military
<5> youre all talk free
<8> O
<12> Abramoff your an american, or it seem you are
<14> jimco... and in which resolution did they say "no to war"?
<5> blahblah
<1> Its the best in the world par none.
<15> FM: and yet, we get the most condemned for it
<7> gopp: stop trying to change the convo and tell me WHY are we in IRAQ ?
<12> DJ_HaMsTa becuase of 1441
<8> They didnt say it in a resolution, they didnt approve war
<15> jimco: " the security council said no to war" care to provide evidence for that?
<12> DJ_HaMsTa that why we went to iraq
<14> jimco... well that's different than saying they said no to the war.
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