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<0> subjaz2: what about space exploration?
<1> rw, for sure..this guy was in the Netanyahu adminstration..I bet he is unhappy right now.
<2> hehe. Even though I still cant type.
<2> Falcon10, We had a Washington Emb***y guy
<2> Today I dont know, a lot of the Likud left Netanyahu..
<1> falcon, are you upset with Kadima set to win
<2> A lot of them went with Sharon
<2> And Kadima.
<1> rw, yea, I would love to hear from him again
<3> Today, yes. `tho it was expected
<3> the Labor party did a nice job
<4> WOW japan represents 41% of the globes total sales in luxury goods.
<5> when I heard "negative income tax", I thought it was some "progressive" tax scale (which I despise) on steroids. But if you use it in place of unemployment benefits, it seems like a step in the right direction, although it may be ingraining bad habits (gov payouts).
<4> man i new they were fanatical shoppers but seriosuly
<2> Typically I cant stand labour candidates, the exceptions have been for me, Ive always likes Shimon Peres.
<2> and I like Tony Blair.
<2> likes = liked
<3> Peres is a joke
<6> best thing to happen to England since Churchill
<3> for some reason very respected in the world
<2> falcon10 to a far rightwinger like you perhaps. Hes been a pioneer for Israel.
<3> FreeMrkts, i'm a kibbutznik
<2> Socialist
<3> not right winger
<2> ?>
<1> falcon, I think I lot of Sharon's stategy was based on the strong possibility of arabs outnumbering Jews in the next 20 years or so. Now we hear that the palestinians population was greatly over-estimated. Do you think Sharon would have pushed for separation if he knew how far off the numbers are?
<5> Publius: What? Margaret Thatcher doesn't count?
<2> Oh, You are a socialist, sorry, he isnt far enough left for you ?
<2> Did you vote for Labour ?
<6> ItsaSecrt: I said BEST
<6> she was a....hehe girlie
<5> Publius: you think blaire's better than thatcher was?
<3> FreeMrkts, actually, Peres was in the left
<3> on the left side of the labor party
<6> ItsaSecrt: No idae to be honest. I just like saying that little quote
<3> but Peres only cares about him being a PR
<6> but I do like Blair
<3> he never gave up on that idea
<3> and he is willing to do everything
<2> Today, Its pragamatic for Sharon to do what he is doing to finally make some substantial movement, the IDF Did not want Gaza, The mIlitary hated it, it cost a forture to defend a few settlers.
<3> including joining kadima
<1> rw, there is talk of pulling out of more that gaza.
<3> FreeMrkts, Sharon did what meretz and the labor were saying all those years
<2> And this way if the palestinians dont come to the table, Israeli is forming the 2 states without them, Which is brilliant.
<3> FreeMrkts, and kadima is far from being center
<1> including talk of dividing Jerusalem which Sharon had said he would never support
<2> Politically its one of the most brilliant maneuvers to end a 100 year dispute I have ever seen.
<2> Ive advised this policy for years.
<5> Publius: Okay, but can we just say, "Best thing to happen since Thatcher"?
<3> FreeMrkts, it was a move Rabin started, and Sharon oppossed
<1> rw, it won't end it
<3> enough to silently agree with people calling Rabin a traitor
<2> Today, Oh not just talk they are committed to puling out of the west bank a certain number of settlements, not all.
<7> Watchmen is going to be a very gritty picture, both tonally and visually. And political as hell, which you might expect from Greengr***, who after all directed Bloody Sunday and The Bourne Supremacy, wrote Spycatcher with Peter Wright and has dabbled in political television for years.
<7> Three quick cases in point: a book of photographs inspired by the recent Iraq war called Fear This is being used as a big inspiration, visually and thematically (Greengr*** told us that he wanted to capture that feeling that 'most of us' had going into the Iraq War, that it was wrong but inevitable, that we were being marshalled by unseen forces greater than any individual);
<6> ItsaSecrt: that's too short a time. No promises but I won't say best since Churchill until I research Thatcher and choose for myself
<7> Threads, the cl***ic and bitingly bleak BBC TV drama about nuclear war, came up more than once; and costume designs for one minor character, Hooded Justice, are heavily inspired by Guantanamo Bay prisoner jumpsuits. Looks like John Q. Public from Headscratch, Missouri, will have to bring Politics For Dummies to this, as well as a bucket of popcorn. And that is a good thing.
<2> The people of Israel want this. And it takes a lot of the fuel away from the palestinians.
<8> arab hater
<3> Kadima is a bunch of of people, with no real connection, on the ideology level
<2> It consolidates resources, they build a border and then they never have to occupy again, they can declare war if Hamas were to attack them for example and settle it in more traditional ways
<6> Dominus: this site man
<2> its hard to declare was on an already occupied people.
<9> :)
<6> Dominus: one of the best reports on anything I have ever seen
<6> seriously
<2> was = war
<1> rw, a palestinian state won't survive without Israel's support. a palestinian state will be empoverished without Israel, thus the jealousy won't stop
<2> And I hope the Palestinians take advantage of it and work for peace. I always hope for that.
<3> FreeMrkts, i seriously doubt :)
<2> Hamas has said it wasnt to talk to the quartet and it will leave the recent policys intact, which is a huge move for them..
<6> FreeMrkt: does Abbas want piece? I read his doctoral thesis last week and it changed my mind towards his true intentions. heh.
<2> Sometimes events in the world which seem impossible, do happen because of intelligent politics or real politik.
<8> lets spell it peace
<1> a palestians state has no chance of peace so long as radical islamists stir the pot..and I don't see those radicals stopping that stirring
<6> peace*
<8> good
<6> weird typo/mistake
<6> anyway
<2> And since Hamas is actually in charge for the first time ever they have to act like a government and governments have to negotiate and moderate sometimes.. for the survival of the political party.
<2> IN this case its Hamas.
<8> Publius: are you going to agree with him
<2> Today, But in late 30s and 40s it was the israeli Terrorists stirring the pot. All extremists need to do away with their extremism.
<10> Boker ...!
<7> freemrkts do i have to do away with my extremism?
<3> Peres announced he will stick with the labor party against kadima, and then left to kadima, after losing the internal elections :)
<8> Israeli terrorists have been stirring up the pot recently as well
<1> rw, I think we have different ideas on "stirring the pot"...we won't agree on it...enough said
<3> jimco, "Israeli terrorists" are a joke
<3> nothing more than punks
<2> Publius, DId Barak Want peace ? I hears his speech when he was pushed out of office and he feared the Arab Israelis, (Citizens of Israel) out breeding the jews and eventually taking the jewish state. IN the USA we consider such thinking well twilight zone.
<3> who should be jailed
<2> Thats a mild way of putting it.
<2> hears = heard
<8> http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/698819.html
<8> read that story
<8> In one of the incidents, Palestinians said about 10 masked, Hebrew-speaking youths had raided a tent encampment near the settlement of Sussia, on the border of the Havat Yair outpost on Saturday night. They allegedly attacked two Palestinian brothers with clubs and knives and then escaped.
<6> FreeMrkt: I don't know who Barak is...but gimme 5 minutes per se
<3> FreeMrkts, actually, almost all parties agree that the majority here must stay jewish
<2> I love haaretz, my favorite Israeli paper, Oldest one too, It existed prior to Israel being a state.
<0> the absence of israeli soldiers in palestinian streets will go a long way towards shrinking the size of any palestinian terrorists pot-stirring spoon as it were
<1> haaretz is very left leaning
<2> THey have very honest views from all sides in their publications. fromt eh far right to the palestianians views
<6> They allegedly attacked two Palestinian brothers with clubs and knives and then escaped. The brothers, Abdelrahman and Aziz Shanaran, were lightly to moderately wounded and were taken to Alia Hospital in Hebron for treatmen
<2> Its the oldest paper in Israel, They know about Israel before it became a state.
<6> great terrorist, they didn't even hurt them
<5> terrorist-style attacks by israeli jews (we won't count pali suicide bombers)
<8> Publius: ya so, the "rocket" attacks generally dont hurt anyone seriously either
<3> Publius, they are punks,
<8> but it sounds so good in the press to say that palestinians are firing missiles into jewish settlements
<3> and they are chased by the internal security bearu
<5> jimco: are you suggesting they're NOT firing homemade rockets into jewish towns?
<3> jimco, they are firing rockets into jewish towns
<3> with no real target
<8> No i'm not. but they try to make it sound worse than it is
<2> Yeah there is no universal truth or justice in the middle east as articles like that demonstrate.
<6> what the hell are you talking about jicmo
<5> how is "palestinian terrorists are firing rockets into israeli settlements" exaggerating?
<6> I said nothing about rockets
<2> at times IDF well go to the rescue of Palestinians, at times they will look away while crowds of violent jewish settlers beat them to death.
<1> the palestians are "upgrading" from k***ams to Katyushas
<5> does IDF suffer many casualties?
<3> ItsaSecrt, depends
<5> is it like the US in iraq, with a few dying each week? or do almost none die?
<8> itsasecrt: they will mention that rockets are being fired into israeli settlements in headlines, and then bury in the story that nobody was hurt
<3> ItsaSecrt, http://www1.idf.il/dover/site/mainpage.asp?sl=EN&id=22&docid=16703
<2> I wish americans understood the true nature of the conflict in the middle east, No not Iraq and west vs Islam, But Israel vs the Palestinians which is the root of a lot of the antipathy against the west. Though I support Israels right to exist and I approve of it forming its own borders justly subject to future negotiations, People have to understand that the Israelis side is not saintly, It has great humanitarians
<5> like, if i asked abou the last five times IDF had casualties, would it be "well, one in december, a couple in '03, and i can't remember" or "two last week, one the week before that, and some in february"?
<8> or they bury in the story that all that happened was someone needed a bandaid
<2> and it has people who are ironically almost neo-nazi only its the other minority
<5> thanks falcon
<6> jimco: that story was a joke
<6> i'll admit that
<8> no you made light of the palestinians injuries.. why?
<6> I didn't understand your intent at first
<2> Americans should not be fooled by what they think, They should research so they know. Dont believe people, Study the history and documents.
<7> its raining in los angeles
<2> Redfish, its clear now our rain went down to you.
<5> since 2000, IDF has had 323 dead and 2303 killed. Sort of like their own mini Iraq.
<3> ItsaSecrt, larger, the scales here are smaller
<3> much much smallers
<11> hey
<3> a good friend of mine died in Gaza
<2> One day I said to myself, Hmm Im debating politics on a topic I am ignorant about. So I vowed to educate myself from authors with no axe to grind. and from other history recorded independently.
<11> Rachel Corrie?
<11> Aka Saint Pancake
<3> and alteast a dozen more that i were friends with
<12> he wanted war thats why we have war!
<13> yeh
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