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<0> greetings
<1> that's really all that matters!
<2> Publius: that would mean a more military approach for the EU... and more diplomacy for the US.
<3> lib_fsck so you couldnt just have one guy sit there and puch thousands of cards, then put them in the ballot box
<1> who will do it?
<2> Can we both handle that?
<4> Dominus: I thought it was going the other direction
<1> I am military! biat
<3> how can you verify this person puched this card
<3> and these holes in that card
<0> I was just reading up on the US electoral college system and how it works.
<5> Solution -- USA just uses its military to take over EU. Then we have Diplomacy and military!
<1> you view with your human eyes thousands of cards
<3> yes
<3> and all of them look the same
<3> no name
<2> What benefit would that have?
<3> no identification of any kind
<2> You'd have Europe, then what?
<1> not electronics, not data, not networks, not phone calls
<4> Dominus: We all want peace once we get past the joe blows. The EU can try for peace but it loooks like now they understand when force is needed
<4> Dominus: That would be idiocy
<6> StanleyI what do you think about it
<2> lib_fsck: so you take paper over digital data?
<4> Dominus: Europe has thousands of years of working out problems. The US will be the gun to shoot at the east if Europe can't calm down the communists
<4> ....
<1> yes 100% success with paper, 100% failure with digital data
<2> Haha, now we're communists?
<3> digital data could be encrypted and sent across a network, and only decrypted by the correct peer (one with the correct key)
<4> Dominus: NOT YOU
<3> or you can have someone physically carry pieces of paper
<0> This is not my opinion..but it says the electoral college system prevents a third party from being elected in the USA
<2> lib_fsck: papers get falsified, lost, as well.
<3> and somehow pretend thats safer
<1> because digital data does go down the digital rabit hole
<2> And in my opinion, moreso than digital data.
<1> who cares.
<2> Because it involves more people.
<2> And people are the weak link.
<1> try it on paper and let me catch your arse
<4> Dominus: lol...we can have a real conversation when it is less angryfied
<4> hehe
<4> angryfied is my new word for the day
<1> on digital data you can't verify ****e
<3> you cant verify a punchcard was punched by someone eligible to vote
<2> lib_fsck: on paper you can verify falsified data.
<3> or the holes punched out are the ones the person punched
<1> nuke-afied
<7> [02:52] <+lib_fsck> wtf is the usa using electronic voting boxes for? or is that off topic here?
<7> [02:54] <+lib_fsck> wtf is with our sos?
<7> [02:56] <+lib_fsck> wtf is goinbg on with the usa?
<7> lib_fsck has ISSUES
<7> and is hardly understandable
<4> rond: I love you
<2> Publius: well, you seem to be even more skeptic about Europe than I am about the US.
<3> maybe we should use fingerprints
<1> rond is changing the subject
<7> settle down publius
<3> registered voters have to submit a fingerprint
<8> The only reason anyone tortures is because they like to do it. It's about vengeance, it's about revenge. I hear apologists for torture say, "Well, they do it to us." Which is a ludicrous argument. ... The Saddam Husseins of the world are not our teachers. Christ almighty, we wrote a Constitution saying what's legal and what we believed in. Now we're going to throw it away.
<4> Dominus: I was trying to so I like Europe. I don't trust Russia and China
<3> they put their fingerprint on their ballot
<7> wtf wtf wtf ????
<3> little cross checking of databases
<3> heh
<4> to say*
<2> Alright
<2> Well, they both can't really be considered communist anymore.
<2> Especially not China.
<3> course you might have people carrying around other peoples fingertips them
<2> Not economically, anyway.
<4> Dominus: alright. I can talk seriously now...I guess
<8> or so says Eric Haney, a retired command sergeant major of the U.S. Army, a founding member of Delta Force
<2> I'm not sure if China is a political threat.
<4> Dominus: Russia blundered big time recently
<1> paper i stay . digital . lateron see you in hell
<4> Dominus: China is great right now.
<9> there are no political threats
<2> Russia seems pretty corrupt to me.
<2> Still, I guess.
<0> In 30 years if China continues its economic growth..it will be the worlds richest nation
<1> might just try to track you also
<5> Yeah like Americans are going to start voting for Chinese Communists.
<4> Dominus: Did you hear about the Russians leaking US invasion plans to Iraq right before the 2003 strike?
<2> Yeah
<10> lgcbmb: have any evidence that what the liberal media considers "torture" is the same definition that Eric Haney considers "torture"?
<1> we already have 1/2 mil in the streets
<4> Dominus: Did you also hear the Russians got the old plans?
<11> nana nana, nana nana, goodbye andy card
<4> LOL
<1> wanna really tempt them to get mad!?
<2> I'm not sure if it was the government or just some renegade though.
<10> pub: well, I would expect the US military would try such a subtefuge tactic
<3> russia was also eavesdropping on 'secret' communication between bush/blair and other world leaders
<1> keep using digital for their vote
<8> Lupine, he says; Mistreatment of helpless people in your power is torture, period.
<1> see how all hell breaks loose
<4> Dominus: I bet 10 bucks the Dept. of Defense leaked the old Iraq War PLan
<2> The good thing is, Russia isn't really a threat, neither tactically nor economically.
<10> lgc: ah, so not having the right brand of ketchup in the mess haul.. nice
<3> russia is a threat, maybe not a direct military threat to us atm
<4> Dominus: This White House is brilliant when it comes to just spinning their enemies around in circles
<3> but they have nukes
<3> and a murky past
<4> Dominus: Thankfully...Bush has probably forged more alliances in Europe(not France) than any president in a long time
<2> Yeah, nukes from the seventies.
<7> [03:08] *** lib_fsck quit (that's it. politics are emotions and I am done.) <--- what an idiot
<8> Lupine, doubt thats what he had in mind
<2> They'll probably blow up in their face upon launch.
<10> lgc: "doubtful" is irrelevent.
<3> Dominus if you think they havent kept stuff up to date, have equal or greater technology, i think youre fooling yourself
<12> Russia has just got a brand new mobile launch system
<4> Dominus: I have another friend from the Netherlands. Are you all like this?
<0> I take notice when I shop of how many things are now made in China
<12> Russia is not Iraq or Vietnam
<5> Mongolia is neither Russia nor Iraq nor Vietnam
<2> Publius: only after weakening pretty much all of those alliances first, though.
<8> yeah, i say if you dont cause organ failure or draw blood it isnt torture
<10> until you can show him saying, say, them using women in underwear to bring food to the prisoners in gitmo is "torture".. well..
<4> Dominus: I believe it was necessary
<2> Publius: define "like this" :)
<10> i notice the left loves to ignore the distinction between improper behavior and real torture.. generally intenionally.
<0> Why does the USA have a base in Cuba?
<8> a good acid test is would you call it torture if the terrorists did it to american soldiers
<2> bmc: I don't think they have the money to keep up with technology.
<4> Dominus: I'm sorry! I pulled an honest "Americanization". Let's just say you are a cut above the standard, as is my other friend from The Netherlands.
<12> why does the USA have a base in Germany?
<3> Dominus i think thats -all- the money they do have
<3> military will come before the people
<4> Lupine: The Left is still around?
<12> why does the USA have a base in every other country in the World?
<12> is the USA trying to take over the World?
<13> cause we can
<2> Publius: well, there's plenty of mediocre people in NL, don't worry ;)
<10> stanely: the US has had a base in cuba since the spanish-american war I believe.
<0> How long can the taxpayer afford to play policeman to the world?
<4> Dominus: Well I certainly won't be flaming the Dutch anytime soon. You've done your country proud
<3> StanleyI well into the next millenium
<2> Haha, thanks.. I guess.
<14> if we didn't have so many bases all over the world, people might wonder why the "defense" budget is so high
<10> and, the US has chosen to keep the base, after the cuban revolution and the rise of Castro to power.
<4> Dominus: I am an American remember
<4> hehe
<3> StanleyI we have a steady supply of eager enthusiastic taxpayers
<2> Yeah, so this is somewhat like an honorary American citizenship, heh.
<4> Dominus: I would be honored to receive that from The Netherlands
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