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<0> the one universal culture in the world is green and it helps people become friends.. <0> :) <1> The Burma thing -- these guys are being chased into Thailand. I forget the name. I just don't think we're moving away from Genocide. Imo, if you really lok at what is happening, it's just as violent as ever. <0> Genocide like Slavery has been rooted out of the major cultures of the world. especially te west which has been the dominant culture. <2> Kissinger story: http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2003022282_kissinger27.html <0> Not its time to stop it in the rest of the world. over ime. <0> over time <3> slavery isnt genocide <0> Would you care if American soldiers went to darfur and established a working democratic goveernment which wouldnt allow genocide ? <0> Most people say yes <0> they say help <1> Karen <0> but the problem is political and social <0> Its not a matter of money or food <1> Karen are the guys getting exterminated in BUrma <0> Slavery is an evil which the west no longer legally or regularly practices.
<0> thats my point <0> we actually do learn from the past. <0> it took us 3000 years <2> I've never been fond of using the U.S. military for nation building and regine change. That's one of many issues where I part ways with the Bush administration <0> but we learned... <0> minidcrime, yes its a careful balance we must draw. <0> I have your kissinger article loaded I will read it soon <1> yeah I'm skeptical of the idea of some kind of 'move forward' towards a better humanity. This talk always ends in tears. That's my lesson from history. <4> Slaves cost too much, cheaper to hire minimum wage workers and let citizens pay the taxes on food stamps and public housing <0> I think in Iraq we had many reasons to do nation building. Many motivations which were good. <0> Iraq ia unique in a way, I mean for example the Sudan does not want to cause trouble for or war with the USA> <0> Saddam did <0> he wanted to cause trouble with the USA and **** with us and the UK. <0> So we took out a genocidal dictator which was in our interest just to do that, but then we needed to rebuild for the sake of the Iraqis there country. <4> you have to house, feed and clothe slaves, far too expensive, better to make them think they are free and make them work for crap wages and tax them <0> Because it will pay off in the long run as it did with Germany and Japan. <4> Slaves don't pay taxes..which is bad <0> Wot, except only sadists work for **** pay <1> Imo, east Asia is relatively peaceful and is becoming more prosperous. Even southeast Asia, except for Philipines, Burma and East Timor. <2> it's good that Saddam is gone...I just don't think it's worth the loss of American lives. <4> luckily we conned women with the women Women rights scam...double tax revenue <4> LOL <2> kind of a catch 22 <0> 95% of people work for pay commisurate with their experience. <0> But I am anti excessive taxes. <1> I think America has the idea of 'taking down totalitarianism' -- and not all situations fit this. This is why sometimes the US intervention leadds to chaos, and nobody understands why. <0> which we are always paying excessive taxes <4> only problem is we need more high school dropouts to take on the low paying jobs <0> I appreciate the tax cuts but I favor more. <4> can't have every kid thinking he can go to college <5> we need to double the min wage over 5 years, IMO <0> Thats the problem we told all the kids to go to college <5> lol <1> well better than every kid thinking he's going to be a sports star, I suppose. <0> now none of them can fix cars or build homes <5> $1 per year increase through 2011, then pay will be comensurate <6> and every young girl trying to emulate the sluts that call themselves *stars* these days <0> because it takes as long as it takes to get a phd to actually become a good homebuilder, and it takes a lot of them longer. <2> there are countless dictators across the globe that need to be toppled. but I just don't see why American lives should be lost doing it. I equate it with global social engineering <5> then after that, min wage ought to be adjusted annually for inflation <4> we have hotels and restaurants closed on memorial day weekend because nobody will work for under $15 an hour these days <7> comet, you go <0> Cometbaby yeah thats self demeaning which is like I call it a form of sadism <7> i hate the girl stars of today <0> why do people enjoy causing themselves to suffer. <6> FreeTrade its actually a form of masochism <5> ill agree with you there, CometBaby <0> why tax outselves to death <6> demeaning yourself like that <0> Thats sadism <1> yeah we need more illegal immigration to fill all those jobs that Americans won't do for low enough wages. <0> yues of course <0> I have it backwards <4> nobody pays minimum wage anymore anyways, even my son in high school makes $15 an hour washing dishes <0> ahaha <6> FreeTrade harming yourself is masochism <0> I mean masochism all along <6> sadism is doing it to others <5> no we need to raise wages, so americans WILL work those jobs <2> masochism would be demeaning yourself. sadism would be demeaning others <0> I know that
<0> I knew that <0> I just gabbed the wrong word because I wasnt focuing on it <7> comet i say do on to others then <7> haha <0> I often talk about mans masochism I meant to say and I do <0> why do we hurt ourselves ? <1> white guys used to do construction. I think they could underpriced by Mexican guys? <5> WotGorila, where do you live? LA? <5> lol <4> problem is business owners will never pay that, because they like to keep all the money and buy lots of expensive toys <5> or NYC? <0> Why do we tax ourselves ? Why do we do stupid things to ourselves... <5> you are ignorant man <4> Upstate NY <0> Obvoulsy a lot of it is sub concious and a lot of it is social conditioning <5> [7:06pm] <4> nobody pays minimum wage anymore <-----come to my town <2> eliminate the minimum wage and you may take care of the problem with whites not wanting to do cheap labor <4> you need to make at least $50 an hour to own a house <5> ok <0> People pay too high of taxes because they have been socially conditioned to believe this form of masochism is good. <5> ok WotGorila, that explains it <5> lol <0> People believe that cant do anything with their lives because people around them tell them its hopeless. <1> I never see white guys standing out in the places where you pick up the MExican guys for jobs. <5> whatever Fr33Trade, taxes are reasonable <5> practically everyone gets a refund <4> best to work for yourself anyways, ****, the guy who cut down a tree in my yard made $500 in an hour <4> LOL <8> WotGorila, where are you anyway? <5> the only ppl that dont are rich and people who dont pay a lot in taxes to begin with <1> I have a white relative in construction and his problem is extreme alcoholism. He does the work, but he just can't lay off the booze, and this always leads to bad things. <0> I have never seen the spirit of optimism and can do as I see in hispanics, who have fought for the USA in almost every war.. What is it about their culture which enjoys hard work so much ? And yet they do. I see it, they work all day they bust *** and they laugh and eat burritos or taquitos and go home and play soccer or have a couple beers or some get smashed but then they lose thier jobs if they are not careful. <5> good for him, WotGorila...unfortunately the country only needs so many people who can chop down trees though <9> - <1> I'm not sure how whites feel working at a places that's 90% Mexican guys. <4> there's always other businesses <0> ke6i, Unfortuntely there is too much of that in every industry <9> READ THIS ARTICLE AT: http://www.americanfreepress.net/html/us__israel_operate_in_iran.html <4> best to be a lawyer, always work there <5> businesses are a lot of work though <8> WotGorila, where are you anyway? <9> IT IS VERY IMPORTANT: http://www.americanfreepress.net/html/us__israel_operate_in_iran.html <0> I knew the worlds leading engineer in tunnel construction, he was consulted to do the tunnel between England and France and most every major tunnel in the world. <8> ISRAELI, you can stop now, we heard you. <5> not everyone is cut out to own/run their own business <4> but if you are making a couple million a year, it's worth it <0> He was a total alcoholic from Norway I think or switzerland and yet he was the best tunnel engineer in the world. <0> And he taught at Berkeley in engineering <5> thats the exception to the rule though, WotGorila....unlucky for me <5> lol <0> So the truth is though its often more obvious in the working cl*** alcoholism is just as prevalent in the upper cl***es and professions. <4> if your not rich in America, you are either stupid or lazy <5> if i could make that kind of money with a business, i'd do it <1> yeah. I think the more money you make, gives you a cushion. This guy I knew would get the 'mean drunk' thing and we'd walk around Berkeley and he'd be picking fights with guys driving by in cars. Scared the hell out of me. <4> ...or don't care about money <10> ...or ugly <0> When I went to treatment in 1982, we had a dentist, a nurse, a Priest and every other type of person you could imagine. <5> it takes money to make money <10> cuz if you got looks, you can always turn that into money <4> hell, even Tommy Chong ...the biggest stoner on the planet makes more than probably all of us in this channel put together <4> :) <1> Alcoholics keep their main skills. They just implode if they go unemployed or get divorced. Something like this. <5> doubt it <5> lol <0> Imagine the priest at round table discussions where we interrorgate each other :) people say **** like, Ok John (The priest), You are no ****ing better than anyone else in here, you are a drug addict and your ****ing denial is just bull****. <0> hehehe <10> i bet his daughter makes more <5> i dont think that 70s show pays him that much <8> No he doesn't, but who cares <0> Thats what its like at some of these round tables. <0> :) <0> Part of therapy <8> He was in jail for selling bongs <0> break down the denial process.
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