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<0> bmc: so basically throw away a few votes, that'll teach em
<1> micro innovations
<2> yes... hatred is important in a politician
<3> I see the problem ... gppo uses the word "hate" like most people use the word "dislike" or disagree with
<4> oh never heard of that bran
<4> I will get microsoft mouse
<5> gppo: performance wise, I prefer the logitech mice.. but what matters most, is.. the shape. and that's very individual preference
<1> MadScribe if neither incumber gets elected, it sure will
<3> the politicians own the dice, the table, the croupier and the whole damned game
<3> the voters can't win
<5> ocdoc: don't forget security as well
<3> primaries were started to take the decisions out of the smoke-filled back rooms
<1> the politicians are part of the people
<5> anyone randomly gets lucky and wins.. they throw you out.
<3> it just rearranged the deck chairs on the Titanic as it was sinking
<1> elect real people, not ***holes who are in the pockets of corporate america
<3> the only real solution is to change the election system in America
<5> bmc: well, far rather have that, then those who are big ALF-CIO, farmer subsidaries, etc
<4> is kengiston good
<1> the american people shouldnt vote for either major party in any election, till they get their **** together
<3> to make sure there is NEVER AGAIN a majority party
<4> Lupine| what a good under 40 usd mouse
<5> gppo: kensington's biggest claim to fame is, support for the mac/linux etc
<3> I prefer proportional representation
<3> it's actually do-able
<5> STERLING, Ohio (AP) -- A first-time skydiver slipped from her harness during a jump Saturday and fell to her death, authorities said.
<1> we already have proportional representation dont we?
<3> you can pick a proportionate number of independents, libertarians, democrats, republicans, socialists and greens from each state to go to congress
<3> bmc: nope
<2> Iowa doesn't have a primary, and it pretty much sets the stage for the Democrat party...
<3> bmc: we have winner takes all districts
<1> the representatives are apportioned based on population arent they
<5> man, I love the Monaco race.. but TV doesn't do its justice. I got to see it in real life once.. oh man, what an experience that trip was.
<1> isnt that proportional?
<3> bmc: and gerrymandered districts to boot
<3> bmc: that's the total number of reps, not what party they belong to
<6> OcDoc, I'd like to see that issue tackled first
<4> Lupine| does your wife ir
<4> c
<3> Katey: what issue?
<6> And I do that that is actually doable
<1> i dont like the winner-take-all for the electoral votes for president
<1> they should be split
<6> OcDoc, the way districts are drawn
<6> gerrymandering
<1> based on percentage of popular vote
<3> bmc: that won't work for prez, but it works for reps
<5> gppo: she used to.. but mostly does IM now
<3> Katey: that actually makes the system MORE representative ... they draw the lines to maximize the party in each district
<4> Lupine| does she have a nic
<1> representation is suppose to be localized
<3> Katey: they make the largest number of red or blue districts possible that way
<4> mslupine]
<4> :_
<5> gppo: lol, i aint dumb enough to give you hers ;-)
<1> you dont want people 50 mi away in a city representing your rural district
<6> OcDoc, the way it's done now, you end up with districts where there's basically zero chance of any real competition between the parties
<4> she must be a bomb of a hot wife
<3> bmc: yes, and it's a stupid way to do it ... nothing is less important these days than who your neighbor is politically
<4> Lupine| would always get a hot wife I bet
<6> since the party in power does the redistricting
<6> They draw it so that it favors their party
<1> i like more localalized government
<3> bmc: geographic districts went out a long time ago when gerrymandering became possible
<4> I bet you fell in love wit her the day you saw her
<3> bmc: well, local government IS localized, but federal and state government supercede local government these days
<1> your local government, and then county/city and state federal government should have very minimal involvement in day to day issues
<1> federal government was instituted for a common defense, and uniformity of law
<3> Katey: but the result is to maximize the NUMBER of districts with a majority of EACH party
<1> not to mingle in state issues
<1> or county issues
<3> Katey: it makes the number of reps from each party more closely reflect the number of voters for each party
<3> Katey: not saying I like it, but that's why they do it
<6> OcDoc, depends on how the districts are drawn
<1> state government always superceded local, but the federal government doesnt and did not ever supercede state government
<1> the states only yielded certain authority in the constitution
<3> Katey: a much better system would be to take the total number of votes in a state for each party plus independents and ***ign the number of reps from each party accordingly
<1> they still possess all authority not yielded
<6> if they're drawn in such a way as to water down the opposition's voting power, then it favors the other party
<1> whether or not they have the balls to ***ert that is a seperate issue
<1> give it time...
<6> er...favor's the party in power, rather
<3> Katey: the point is that if the division is 45 - 55 then the reps end up being 45 - 55
<6> sorry, that was a screwy sentence
<6> :)
<1> Katey what you want them to split them in a way that gives each party an equal shot?
<3> Katey: but it freezes out other parties and guarantees the two majority parties will stay in power
<1> and not in a way that more represents the voice of the people?
<6> OcDoc, not if you get creative with drawing the districts. You can water down a given party's vote...like the gerrymandering that was designed to water down the black vote back in the day
<1> why put a bunch of conservative country folk in a liberal district
<1> thats just stupid, and strips the country folk of voice
<3> Katey: well, I'm in favor of getting rid of gerrymandering, but only if we go to a true proportional represenation system
<6> bmc, I was listening to the Jim Baker/Jimmy carter bipartisan panel that made recomendations for improving elections in the US
<3> Katey: the way it is now up to 49% and frequently more have no representatives
<6> their suggestion was for states to appoint a fully bi-partisan panel for drawing districts
<1> my state is a perfect example of why electoral votes for president should be split
<5> oh jeeze.. is anyting more blatant? they took the pole away from Michael Schumacher.. eh's doing to well this seasons, so they do soemthing not in teh rules
<1> :P
<1> freakin two ****ty counties, most marylanders try to avoid
<1> and one city most marylanders also try to avoid
<1> decided the election for everyone else
<3> Lupine: more gladiatorial games?
<5> ocdoc: Formula 1 at Monaco
<3> Katey: more bureaucracy will not solve America's problems
<3> Lupine: and Schumacher is the lead gladiator?
<5> naw
<1> i wonder how many people who spend most of their time in the district, working and even after-work time, come home at 9pm in the state of maryland, and think theyre part of the state
<6> OcDoc, it wouldn't really be more bureaucracy, just different bureaucracy. :)
<5> F1 has so much bull**** politics, it really is ruining it as a race
<1> these people are voicing the opinion of a state they do not know
<7> OcDoc, What judge clerked for a judge who clerked for a judge that his clerk also clerked for?
<6> OcDoc, the way it is now is also done by bureaucrats, appointees from the party in power.
<1> people they do not know, and they do not represent
<3> Katey: that kind of thinking is what got us into this mess in the first place
<3> Septimius: I don't know
<6> OcDoc, the suggestion is to change from a single party making the decisions, to both parties having equal input
<3> Lupine: I'm against race
<1> look at all these ***holes protesting a bear hunt in garret county
<7> bmc, Justifying a Presumption of Liberty of state legislation requires an inquiry into the meaning of the Fourteenth Amendment and, in particular, the Privileges or Immunities Clause, NOT the Ninth Amendment
<1> those ****ers have never even set foot in garrett county
<5> well, i couldn't even call it a 'race' anymore.. its almost like WWF wrestlign now.. :-/
<1> what the hell do they know about garrett county?
<1> let the garrett county people decide
<3> Katey: redistricting was supposed to be a way to make all the districts equal in voter count ... I say do it randomly without any input from anyone
<1> all the people protesting were doing so in annapolis
<3> let the computer draw simple shapes on a map
<7> bmc, A Presumption of Liberty, like a "presumption of constitutionality," or Footnote Four which privileges enumerated rights, or Footnote Four-Plus which adds protection of judicially-selected "fundamental rights" to those that are enumerated are all constitutional constructions, not interpretations
<5> I think they need to use a mathematical algorythm to prevent these crazy shapes
<6> OcDoc, heh, I think that would be harder to get people to agree to though
<1> what the hell does anyone in annapolis know about whats best for western maryland
<6> maybe imposssible
<7> bmc, The case for a federal marriage amendment is even weaker now than it was in 2004, also a national election year, when the Senate last voted on this issue. Nevertheless, we seem fated to have this discussion every two years in Congress
<6> And I think there should be limits on how frequently a state can redraw its lines.
<3> Katey: people want power and they make up the rules as they go along in order to get it ... that's the problem
<1> Septimius "Prior to the adoption of the federal Constitution, states possessed unlimited and unrestricted sovereignty and retained the same even afterward except as such was surrendered to the federal government or they were expressly prohibited from exercising by the United States Constitution." -Blair v Ridgely, 97 D. 218, 249, S.P. -People v. Coleman, 60 D. 581
<3> Katey: it's after every census, every ten years
<6> OcDoc, some states have done it more frequently
<6> Texas, for example
<3> Katey: how so?
<6> OcDoc, they did their obligatory redistricting at census time, then did it again in...03 I believe
<1> Septimius thats a pretty stupid idea, amendment the US constitution just to ban gay marriage
<3> every ten years ... it's in the constitution ... the only reason they did it twice was the first attempt was thrown out by the court
<7> bmc, you hate Jesus
<6> remember the bru-haha over redistricting in TX?
<1> Septimius if they want to stop judicial activism, why not amend it to end judicial activism
<3> Katey: they only did it once
<3> Katey: the first attempt was thrown out by the courts
<1> Septimius why not call a constutional convention, and put the power back in the hands of the states?
<1> :P
<1> the federal government has no parts in it
<1> we can totally restructure the system
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