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<0> and prolly only 10% of them that have a big problem with it
<1> MASH
<0> that 10% would be the democratic base
<0> hehe
<2> FreeTrade: Really, what that poll says is that a slim majority of those polled agree. The rest either disagree or don't know what the **** to think.
<1> they should do a remake of this show
<3> I consider emminent domain and my right to keep and bare arms and my rights to own property and so many other rights much mroe important than the military spying on enemies of the USA
<1> i could see big fat charles being the colonel in Iraq
<4> Of course, some retarded idiots want to make this out to be "mixed" results, but on the pertinent question, a clear majority--68%--support the wiretapping that was actually done.
<3> My right to free speech, I think it should be absolute except in areas where it has been shown not to be.
<1> with a bunch of idiots like Piece and honeycut
<2> FreeTrade: Mostly, Pickle is showing his own bias. The NYT characterization of the poll in their article's title is accurate.
<3> Crowded theaters where pople can get killed if I yell fire.
<1> young kids
<3> Abusive Domain or User
<1> like House or something
<0> pickle: we call those retarded idiots democrats..
<4> A slimmer majority support wiretapping that wasn't done, of course.
<1> House is a cool show
<3> But in normal context we all should have a right to even speak out against this war and call it a fascist war and act like idiots.
<3> I defend that right
<2> FreeTrade: In addition, Pickle quoted poll results in his post that are different than what's in the article.
<1> I know emergency room doctors and nurses that watch House
<5> where was this poll taken.. I watched a news clip the other day and 35% of the people interviewed supported a war in Iran but they couldn't point to Iran on a map..
<3> MrRod, I have been observing the polls for some time on this issue, of course its his bias and its my bias but the numbers consistantly support our bias.
<3> The facts line up with our bias.
<3> MrRod Ive been watching these polls closely for a month
<1> they will ask my wife "When is the new house on?:
<1> heheh
<4> The New York Times quoted the 68% figure in their article. They are leftwing liars, as are their apologists.
<3> The people have always been overwhelmingly on the side of the president (Depending on how you define overwhelmingly)
<0> pickle: communist propoganda rag
<4> They simply posted a false headline.
<2> FreeTrade: Sure, but making up inflated numbers (like Pickle did in his post) makes him look worse than the NYT.
<1> my wife and i will sit there and debate what the person really has
<0> :)
<1> its a damn good show
<3> I figure when the best you can do is get 30% against him, its over whelming.
<3> SOme people will always answer, I dont know.
<6> it's all rigged
<1> i have only been wrong once
<3> And the way these questions are asked is very important.
<2> FreeTrade: That poll has a big I Don't Know.
<3> Ill give you two examples.
<4> But it figures that certain parties would continue trying to manipulate the results. It's laughably predictable that in the process of doing this, they accuse the people posting the truth of "misrepresenting".
<1> my wife also can't stand that i pick out the dudes who did it in Cold Case
<7> #yogiya
<1> the first 2 dudes did it
<2> FreeTrade: Really, if you want a bigger majority I'm sure a Fox News poll will provide it.
<7> oops
<1> one of the first
<4> No, sorry. The misrepresenters are the ones claiming "mixed" results when 68% support the kind of wiretapping that was actually done.
<1> hehe
<0> the wiretapping thing is a non issue
<3> A) Do you believe the wiretapping by the president was illegal ? Same thing Legal ? B) Do you believe the president did the right thing to order the wiretappign of people who were conversing outside the conversation with suspected Al queda agents ?
<3> The people will answer B) Overwhelmingly yes
<3> A) is misleading
<0> democrats want to use it to impeach bush but it will backfire on them if they do that
<3> Bedcause its not asking if they approve the legal questions the public are not capable of knowing
<2> Pickle: Did you even bother to read the ****ing article?
<3> this is the constitutional area of law which is the grey zone and always has been
<4> But then, all we can expect from the people still trying to pretend that a clear majority of Americans don't support the NSA wiretapping is lies.
<4> They have no facts.
<4> Even in their own commissioned polls.
<3> The politicians behavior is proof that the people support it.
<3> Democrats are now sayign why doesnt the president ask us for authority and we will give it to him
<3> heheh
<8> how can you believe a NYT poll
<3> They ARE
<3> This is a fact
<9> geesh...
<8> when it says something you dont agree with, its "liberal media bias"
<4> td: Because the NYT would be the last people to post results like that if they could avoid it.
<3> Ive heard this from a dozen democratic senators and congressional leaders in the last 2 weeks
<9> took me a bit to add back email accounts...
<8> but if it says something you dont mind hearing, its great.
<9> and delete all the accumulated garbage lol
<3> and the GOP has said they wold love to have a campaign fight over this issue.
<4> td: And this is represented in their misleading headline about "mixed support" for the wiretapping, when it is not mixed.
<3> They arent sweeping it under the table they are bringing it out front and center.
<3> Republicans no its a winning campaign issue.
<3> no =know.
<5> 3 months ago when Bush's aproval rating was 39% republicans called polls insignificant..
<4> But rather clearcut in supporting the wiretapping of Al Qaeda operatives communicating with Americans.
<10> http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v22/pfjunkie/table.jpg
<2> FreeTrade: Sure, people do support it. That support is understandable, given the times we live in. In the same sense, in 1942 people supported interning Japanese-Americans. In 1919 people approved the arrests of communists without warrants. Fact is, you can't have freedom and civil rights without security.
<1> hahhaha
<3> And besides if you look at history and if predendent counts its clearly legal
<4> b|ink: Who was that?
<1> I declare this land FT land!
<4> Which Republicans?
<3> Also, The president isnt actually doing the wiretapping .
<1> Freetrade land!
<10> Pickle: all republicans
<3> The NSA is after they requested the power from the president
<1> we will drink all night for free!
<3> the president authorized it.
<3> The NSA is not partisan.
<10> Pickle: and everybody in this chatroom...we've been calling polls insignificant since the mid90s
<1> as long as FT is paying!
<4> L0c0: Riiight.
<2> FreeTrade: Do you trust the NSA?
<3> They are spies hungry to bust the enemy
<10> even I say they mean nothing
<6> lol
<10> good or bad for bush
<10> i don't put stock into polls
<1> everyone submit tonights bill to Freetrade
<4> L0c0: No one in this chatroom has dismissed polls since about 1996.
<1> I heard that he can take it out in taxes!
<4> Or very few people, at any rate.
<3> L0c0, Read back this channel as far as you can, I have never said polls are insignificant.
<11> scribbles all over Pickle...
<2> FreeTrade: Polls are subject to manipulation.
<3> Polls mean a lot to me, but there is also an art in the interpretation and how the poll is biased.
<3> example lead people to say yes and they will.
<3> Example
<1> Freetrade i took a polll. and the poll said you are paying for the drinks
<1> =)))
<3> Would you agree its true that frogs have *** more than 10 times a day, as a fair estimate ?
<3> They would say yes
<1> its freaky friday!
<3> The way the question is given
<4> I do remember lots of talk about polls meaning nothing when they made it clear that Dole had no chance, but after that people took polls a lot more seriously.
<2> FreeTrade: A NPR poll and a Fox News poll on the same topic can have radically different outcomes if you only read the headlines -- and that's commonly what people do.
<1> the more you dance the less you look like doris day
<1> hehehe
<3> Do you think the presidents wiretapping is legal or illegal ? Do you think the president was right to wiretap al queda suspects regardless of a warrant ?
<1> bah who cares about wire tapping anymore?
<4> Here's how much wording matters:
<4> In the poll, 70 percent of respondents said they would not be willing to support governmental monitoring of the communications of "ordinary Americans"; 68 percent said they would be willing to support such monitoring of "Americans the government is suspicious of."
<12> bush's poll numbers are pretty bad
<1> its friday
<3> MrRod, but the polls when they ask the same questions are within the margin of error consistantly coming up with the same answers.
<1> take a break FT
<11> the prob is though...define 'suspicious of'
<4> The problem is that the only relevant question is the one about Americans whom the government is suspicious of, since those were the ones being wiretapped.
<2> FreeTrade: Commonly, they don't ask exactly the same questions.
<4> Not "ordinary Americans". That question was only put in there to give fodder to the DNC.
<3> I have been studying polls against polls as well as polls. Seriously For example did you know that in most the polls in the last 6 months, Fox news dynamic poll has shown bush slightly in a worse light than other pollsters ?
<3> It has to do with methodology
<4> Illustrating once again that the New York Times is not a paper that's safe to read without careful analysis to sift through the leftwing bull****.
<3> MrRod, do you support the eavesdropping ?
<3> 30% or less say they dont.
<2> FreeTrade: Yes, with oversight.
<3> thasts 70% that are inclined to support it or arent sure.
<3> MrRod there has been oversite since the beggining which is one thing the polls have not suggested.
<4> FreeTrade: To the New York Times and their dumb*** apologists, that's "mixed results", doncha know.
<13> I started work for a pollster yesterday
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