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<0> Lupine|, right. the citizens are paying taxes for educations. They deserve to get a decent return on that investment
<1> I stopped once I got "the cure" from an Alcohol treatment center
<1> I realized I wasnt so smart.
<2> Parents should have a damn bit of input, imo. :P
<3> Lithium-: I disagree.. But this isnt a theology discussion
<4> my brother just had to pay over $61.00 for a school book his daughter lost, unbeliveable
<1> So i became tolerant of other peoples beliefs.
<2> *shouldn't.
<0> teaching kids crazy **** that will shut them out of good opportunities later in life is counter to the people's interests
<1> stopsign, public school ?
<4> the most it should be is $20.00 if that
<4> yes
<4> she is in 10th
<5> katey: I tried to love you for years upon years.... But you refuse to take me for real.... It's time you saw what I want you to see.... That I'd still love you if you'd just love me.
<1> Katey private schools can teach what they want, but public schools dont have that luxury..
<0> stopsign, lol. You ever had to buy a college text book?
<5> stop: count herself lucky.. many college books are 100-200 now-n0-days
<6> Thanks for the +v
<4> nope
<7> Lupine|, no, you're telling the government that you don't want them propagandizing any religion. You're not telling them to tell people to not believe in anything.
<1> They should not have the right to teach any particular religion other than as a comparative religion course
<4> i haven't
<1> Or how religion is directly related to history
<8> stopsign, modern school textbooks are very expensive, because they contain mostly pictures on high-gloss paper
<0> Lupine|, um....?
<1> but what I mean is they shouldnt try to make people observe religious rituals or religious beliefs.
<5> shonuff: um, if "in god we trust" is ruled unconstitutional.. that MEANS all money you have, which says that, is unconstituttional. It would literally vaporize trilllions of dollars.
<1> Parents and churches can do that.
<4> katey, that is different school books are m*** produced, it is like them charging $150.00 for a bolt
<3> By the way. Did you know that "you shall have no other gods besides me" doesnt mean there are no other gods. In that time gods where gods over a territory. And when you crossed into another territory another god would be in power. The quote meaned that as a jew you where not allowed to pray to that god
<5> katey: i'm blasting Clapton.. don't mind the semi-questionable relevency quotations :-)
<0> stopsign, college text books are also m*** produced
<1> Schools should be for education unfortunately they have thier own religions, which are almost exclusively leftwing environmentalism and ***uality and all that.
<0> stopsign, overpriced text books are a whole different subject
<8> if you don't like the word "god" on your dollar bills, I'd be happy to take them off your hands and relieve you of that burden :)
<4> not like the goverment issued school books by the millions
<0> stopsign, but $60 is getting off cheap
<5> panini:L yep.. put their money where their mouth is
<9> sweet 33 here tomorrow
<10> I don't see how it could possibly be unconstitutional. It's a free-speech, free-expression issue
<3> Just change to euro ;)
<8> or Krugerrand
<1> I was with my daughter last night, and I said Wont you be happy next year when you get to learn about real history and science instead of all this political bull**** ((th graders are heavily indoctrinated here into leftwing politics). MY daughter said hell no dad they will be teaching this liberal (meaning leftwing) bull**** all throuugh graduation.
<1> I said oh..
<0> or wampum
<7> Lupine|, no, if that would happen they just wouldn't produce any new bills with "in god we trust" on them and slowly replace the existing ones. It doesn't mean your existing money suddenly becomes wortheless. That's ridiculous.
<0> :)
<1> But it wont be as bad.
<11> rubel ain`t bad either...
<3> Fr33Trade: hehe
<10> no judge who is even partially sane would rule that the words on our money is forcing anyone to join a govt-run religious organization
<1> You get more freedom in 10th grade to actually get an education, the only cl***es my daughter is not getting straight As in are political cl***es like history where they talk about how evil Bush and Republicans are.
<5> shonuff: no, if the money is "Unconstitutional" it is UNCONSTITUTIONAL
<1> She gets bs in those cl***es
<5> . /DEV/NULL
<3> Airbuster: well. that doesnt exclude all the judges, does it ;)
<5> WORTHLESS
<1> Because she cant stand those cl***es
<1> She walks out sometimes.
<10> peope, no, but they're greatly outnumbered by those who are sane
<4> if your not religious, what would it matter what money had written on it?, as long as you got to buy what ya wanted with it
<5> shonuff: we're not on the gold or silver standard.. it would be literally worthless
<12> the word "god" doesn't imply a religion to me, necessarily. as an atheist i can accept the idea of a god. it's no more religious than the idea of nothingness
<3> You shouldnt have any believes pushed onto you by the state
<1> Last week the teacher said everyone get up and get in a group of 6, my daughter stayed seated, and the teacher asked her to get up, and she said no..
<5> people: i agree.. we shouldn't have the belief that rape and murder is wrong forced upon us by the court ysstem
<0> the word "god" most certainly does imply religion
<0> what else would it imply?
<1> he said then I will send you to some place (Independent study or library or something) and she said fine.
<1> and she walked out ofcl***
<12> Katey: no, it only implies a creator
<13> ok thats not cool, my wife is watching tose women hate men things
<8> Katey, ***
<1> and I support her.
<0> horace, a god
<0> horace, i.e. religion
<1> BBIAB wife is off work..
<0> gods are religious figures
<5> Katey is a true aethiest.. she never screams out "oh god! oh god!" during ***..
<12> Katey: no, katey, religion is a set of arbitrary rules
<3> Lupine|: acctually no. The laws would be enforced. But the state shouldnt try to convince people that it was wrong. It is for the people to do
<13> the are like washed up soap opera stars
<7> Lupine|, we're talkiong about "in god we trust" on money being unconstitutional, not just money being unconstitutional. Why do you think in black and white?
<5> people: um, convincing at the barrel of the gun..
<0> horace, which are connected to the worship of a god
<0> correct?
<8> Katey is dyslexic... she screams "oh dog! oh dog!" during ***
<0> or gods
<3> The state should do what the people say. Not try to convince the people what it wants
<13> Booo hooo hooo, the bad guy that ****ed in the last movie that no one bought is kiling me!
<5> shonuff: again, if it is unconstitutional, the money it is printed on is unconstitutional.. poisoned fruit.
<0> I don't care what's on the money
<4> y'all are bad
<0> But any reference to the word "god" is a reference to religion
<8> stopsign, you laughed though... admit it
<0> no way around it
<4> katey me either
<10> Katey scrams out "Oh Teddy Kennedy, oh Teddy Kennedy!"
<4> well....
<12> Katey: yes, but the fact remains that there's no explanation for our existence and the concept of a creator is just as sane, and probably more so, than the idea of no creator
<5> horace: we are merely the result of a chance superposition between two planes..
<0> horace, okay. That's fine. But that's immaterial to the issue of whether or not a reference to a "god" is a reference to religion
<0> it is
<0> there's no way that it isn't
<12> Katey: it's a reference to a creator but i dont think it implies any arbitrary religious beliefs such as heaven or hell or sin
<10> Katey, so?
<5> reference != establishment of
<0> horace, and what would a creator be?
<0> a god?
<4> nope a farmer : )
<0> gods are religious beliefs
<12> Katey: all our philosophic and scientific ideals are altars to unknown gods
<10> reference doesn't mean an establishments, for crying out loud! How can it be more obvious?
<3> Being forced into a church to confess doesnt make you a christian. Being forced to faste doesnt make you a christian. Being forced to pray doesnt make you a christian. Having no choice but bills with christian propaganda on it doesnt make you a christian either. But its intrusive
<10> it's just free-speech
<7> Lupine|, if the government one day said that printing "in god we trust" on money is unconstitutional that doesn't mean that suddenly all the money everyone has becomes worthless.
<0> horace, er...no
<7> that's just stupid
<5> shonuff: well, not WORTHLESS.. you could use it for toilet paper
<0> there are people who believe in a supernatural creator(s) and those who do not
<0> people who believe in such a creator are people with religious beliefs
<0> those who don't are not
<4> ya! what katey said!
<5> katey: i am not "religious".. yet, I find astrophysics to be the purest form of religion
<10> Katey, and your point is?
<8> Lupine|, me too :)
<3> If the act of printing is said to be unconstitutional it doesnt imply the money that has been printed is unconstitutional
<5> Underneath the uncertainty of quantum mechanics could lie a deeper reality in which, shockingly, all our actions are predetermined
<4> panini, no wounder bot of y'all get on katey!
<8> the space aliens in "Contact" had an interesting concept of religion
<4> both : )
<5> Early last month, a Nobel laureate physicist finished polishing up his theory that a deeper, deterministic reality underlies the apparent uncertainty of quantum mechanics. A week after he announced it, two eminent mathematicians showed that the theory has profound implications beyond physics: abandoning the uncertainty of quantum physics means we must give up the cherished notion that we have free will.
<7> Lupine|, the law would make it unconstitutional to print NEW bills with "in god we trust" on them, duh.
<10> peope, of course not. But it's also not unconstitutional
<3> Lupine|: yes. It would be interesting to know if there is true randomization in the universe
<5> "It's striking that we have one of the greatest scientists of our generation pitted against two of the world's greatest mathematicians," says Hans Halvorson, a philosopher of physics at Princeton University.
<3> Airbuster: It might be. I dont know
<14> Lupine...Super ID?
<5> shonuff: no, the bills would be forbidden fruit
<8> lol
<8> free will never depended on quantum mechanics
<3> Airbuster: Dont think it will be deemed unconstitutional by a judge though
<7> lol forbidden fruit
<14> panini ...aye
<8> that's a myth
<10> laws don't make things unconstitutional. The constitutional makes laws unconstitutional
<10> just to clear that up
<14> ID is making a play to one of the hardest sciences of all
<8> Lupine|, who was it btw?
<12> free will is a myth
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