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<0> fr33: i swear, I wish the USSC would get some cojones, and make some rulings by itself.. "No, you can't sue over in god we trust. period."
<1> "Satan, STAY!"
<1> "sit, Satan!"
<2> I am actually outraged that Christian nativity scenes have been banned in the very same places where a Chanuka candles are burning or a muslim symbol is present.
<3> US-Male, Cerberus is a better name for a hellhound
<4> shonuff, you should say "5% want people to join their church"
<2> thats even more outragoud
<5> "BAGHDAD:The coach of Iraq's tennis team and two players were shot dead by armed gunmen here on Thursday, the head of the Iraqi Olympic Committee (IOC) reported yesterday.
<5> According to eye witnesses the three men were killed because they were wearing shorts.
<5> o m f g
<2> because its selective prejudice against christians over other religions
<0> US: i just ask if I can celebrate the genocide of the great flood
<2> and the law needs to apply to all or none
<1> tyeah but Cerberus is Roman isn't it
<2> and the law needs to apply to all or none
<2> I repeat it for emphasis
<6> haha
<0> fr33: right.. and this sueing over the same thing, over and over.. my god
<2> if your not going to ban jwish and mulsim symbols dont ban christian ones.
<6> yep
<5> "A few days before the attack a Sunni militant group had issued a warning forbidding the wearing of shorts, witnesses said"
<7> TheTailor, I know what I posted, and I said compared to atheists and religious people, it's mostly the religious people who try to push their beliefs down other's throats. You're now creating a strawman like I'm saying all religous people all arrogant jerks which isn't what I have been talking about.
<2> Are Atheists the more radical kind worried about people being converted ? I sure as hell dont care if people are converted.
<0> fr33: in Boca Raton, the ACLU sued the city. They asked [ and was granted ] a total ban on the nativity, and *ENFORCED* jewish and muslim scenes.. "affirmative action"
<2> The whold world can be converted as long as they respect my right to dissent.
<4> shonuff, this is what you posted--> ' religious people do, and when you belong to something, you want others to join it'
<8> FT, go to any communist country
<2> If I am the last atheist on the planet all I want is respect, I dont care if any of you change or anyone changes.
<2> MY kids when we talk of religion, I say its up to them to decide..
<2> But they have decided.
<4> shonuff, in short, you are full of ****, only the fringes of either group, religious or not speaks of such matters as conversion
<6> i think fr and shonuff, are saying about the same thing
<2> They are atheists too
<6> except for that
<6> hahahaha
<9> TheTailor: are you saying it is not in the christian doctrine to convert people?
<6> it is
<4> Lithium-, is that what I said?
<2> Atheism sounds like a dirty word when it shouldnt though.. Its probably from the 50s when godless commmies were spoken about and considered almost as one.
<7> TheTailor, that is true, when you belong to something such as a religion, you usually want others to beleive in the same religion and same god as you.
<0> I shot the sheriff.... but I did not shoot the deputy.. <-- bad music choice to play when pulled over
<4> shonuff, again, untrue.
<2> hell I am maybe the most capitalist person on this channel, Probably not but I am up there in the top 10%
<1> damn what a beautiful day
<0> shonuff: i dunno, looks like alot of atheists are the one who contiually sue and sue in the court room
<2> or top 5%
<1> I must go fo a ride on the bike
<9> Fr33Trade: as a staunch capitalist, what is your position on net neutrality?
<2> US, yeah its nice here too, I am home alone !
<2> hehe
<1> hehehe
<2> My wife gets off work soon.
<6> us, drink alot of water : )
<1> always
<10> What values are capitalism based on?
<6> or beer : )
<2> Freedom more than anything.
<7> Lupine|, they sue in the courtroom because someone forced them to believe in something they don't beleive in.
<9> individuality
<2> And the natural order.
<0> shonuff: yea.. "in god we trust" is really forcing them to believe..
<10> How does capitalism promote freedom?
<0> Freedom is nothing, without personal responsibility.
<1> "demand"
<0> the two must go hand in hand.
<8> atheists are always suing to keep religious views _out_ of somewhere, whereas religious folks sue mainly to have the opportunity to present their views
<6> yep
<1> socialism has ot be enforced, hence less freedom
<4> shonuff, nobody is forcing an athiest to believe anything when they sue to take the words 'In God We Trust' of a coin.
<2> Because capitalism means the free activity of making contracts, buying and selling goods, or refusing to buy or sale, Consumers have the most control over the economy..
<4> off even
<10> Can you not be unfree in a capitalist society?
<0> Tailor: i think the USSC should simply rule ONCE AND FOR ALL on it.. and go further.. find it unconstitutioanl for any judge to even entertain a suit over it.
<9> TheTailor: whats the mention of god doing on our currency?
<2> Who was the economist who said consumers were the kings of capitalism, I think it was Walrus Pronounced valwrus sort of.
<8> many atheists are terrified of free-speech
<10> Freedom is mostly for those who have, not those who have not, right?
<4> Lithium-, any reason it shouldn't be there?
<8> so they use the govt to try and stamp it out
<0> lithium: nothing much more beyond tradition
<2> He had the theory on market equilibrium the first to express it mathematically
<9> TheTailor: yea, separation of church and state
<7> TheTailor, well, you have your opinion, but that is mine. the context of this entire conversation has been about who goes around throwing their beliefs down others' throats more, religious people or atheists, any I beleive it's religious people. You're ignoring the context of all I've been saying and focusing on 1 statement.
<2> I made a mistake the other day by confusing him with veblen who was a statist economist.
<4> Lithium-, nice try, those words aren't promoting a religion.
<2> Capitalism is the rule of the people.
<2> more so than anything.
<2> because people vote every day with their money or by not spending thier money
<0> I swear, taxpayers ought to legally be able to put "the beat down" on any one who wastes their money.
<9> TheTailor: "in god we trust" doesnt promote religion!?
<2> And their vote they win, unlike in campaigns when one wins a lot lose.
<11> Lithium- what religion does it promote?
<0> Lithium: would it make you believe in god? no? then, um "no" it doesn't/
<10> Fr33Trade: So you think people should have an unequal amout of votes?
<4> shonuff, neither of the fringe elements of either group shove anything down anyone's throats.
<6> the last time i was in court the judge asked "do you swear to tell the trouth", not do you swear to tell the trouth so help you god.
<2> Freedom means you can have or have not.
<9> bud`: it promotes monotheistic religion, not a specific one
<4> Lithium-, no, it doesn't.
<9> TheTailor: yes it does
<2> I can go to work and learn a trade or a profession or go to college OR I can choose to not work, live very simply and live hand to mouth
<4> Lithium-, no, it doesn't. What religion is it promoting?
<2> I can choose to be lazy
<9> TheTailor: it promotions the notion of a supreme deity
<2> in the soviet union they were punished if caught being lazy
<9> er, promotes*
<4> Lithium-, what religion is that?
<8> Lithium, a big majority of people in the US blieve in God. Putting that on money has absolutely nothing to do with establishing a state-religion
<0> Tailor: frankly, if that is the worst issue Lithium is.. he should thank god for his blessed ***!
<2> and yet a lot of them were lazy because they had no freedom not did they have incentive.
<9> TheTailor: there are many religions based on that
<7> TheTailor, then what would you call jahova witnesses going door to door every sunday waking people up asking to talk to them about their religion, and even they are refused, they persist ?
<2> not = nor
<11> Lithium- is it unconstitutional in that it implies an official state religion
<4> Lithium-, what religion is being specifically promoted by those words?
<9> Lupine|: it is by far not my biggest issue, it was just one being discussed here
<11> or what?
<10> Fr33Trade: yes.. in a sense. But you have to agree that your cannot control most of your life. You can increase your chances to get a better life. but you cannot control it. You reach a position mainly by chance
<2> let me say something which most people dont know.
<0> shonuff: I would invite them inside, then gun their *** down.. protected by the castle doctrine
<2> Karl Marx never intended the end of Religion
<4> shonuff, I call that the 'fringe'.
<9> TheTailor: like i said, it promotes the notion of religion, not a specific religion
<7> TheTailor, religious people call it "spreading the word." I call it "throwing your beliefs down others throats."
<4> Lithium-, therefore it's not promoting a religion.
<2> Karl Marx though an atheist believe thats religion was so powerful that you couldnt end it if yo wanted to.
<7> lol Lupine|
<0> Fr33: Karl Marx also never predicated the end of stratification in cl***es
<9> TheTailor: bad logic, sorry
<4> Lithium-, I forgive you.
<2> And a week after we bring the downfall of the soviety union the leaders of the party go to church.
<6> hahaha
<12> eh. it's really not important.
<8> first Amendment forbids govt ffrom forcing anyone to join any church, and it also prohibits laws against free-speech or the free-expression of religious views
<2> Yeltsin went to church
<12> if it's cheaper to not have "in god we trust" on the money then take it off
<10> Marx had a prediction that could be tested. It proved to be false.
<12> if not, I don't care
<7> TheTailor, what atheists do you know of that go around Sunday mornings door to door telling people to not believe in god?
<13> Yeltsin was a gangster...
<12> As long as no one insists that I trust in a god, I don't really care
<4> shonuff, none, they work it in Bars on Friday nights.
<6> katey right
<0> shonuff: they just waste hundreds of millions in our courts..
<2> Lupine he actually was for a cl***less society as much as possible, that was his end goal he relalized there would be a process before that time came, of course he was wrong.
<0> fr33: ah, but by only redefining the cl***es.
<8> Katey, first amendment ensures that
<13> well said, Katey
<0> fr33: i.e. no one owns the means of production, but that is NOT the end of stratification in one cl***
<2> But he believed that ultimately government would not exist nor would what we call capitalism or free trade at the local level or international level.
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