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<0> They probably end up in Valhalla
<1> think about all the young guys that did their duty
<2> we did mislead Hitler, he totally waffled on D-day
<3> shonuff, I don't have any religious people trying to shove anything down my throat, or treating me with contempt for not joining their religion. I do see contempt all the time from atheistsin the media, however
<4> Well there are a lot of non atheists too but atheists are over represented as to the general population but then so are the opinion of people here for two reasons, people here are more fanatical and/or are more intelligent about politics.
<2> they didn't want to wake him up early either
<4> Why ? Because we are smarter ? No.. Because we all have a p***ionate interest in politics, I mean all of us left and right.
<3> atheists are generally mean-spirited and filled with arrogance and contempt, whereas religious folks are not
<3> in my experience
<2> haha
<5> lol
<2> that's not true at all
<6> haha
<7> shonuff, well no, I hear all the time athiests talking about their view, I almost never hear religious types recruiting, and common sense hasn't anything to do with this.
<3> I'm not talking about Muslims, btw
<2> you see only the hatefilled ones like Michael Newdow
<5> ssssssssure
<8> Airbuster, well, I don't have any atheists people trying to shove their "non beleifs" down my throat either, yet throughout my life I've been approached numerous times by jahova witnesses, christians, catholics, etc with pamplets and invitations.
<5> the aren`t religious, eh?
<0> well best not to join the Athiest religion either.
<7> shonuff, sure they do, it's topic of conversation all the time when athiests are in the channel
<0> I believe in neither god nor athiesm!
<6> people are people, reguardless of their belifs, their either mean or they arn't
<3> shonuff, just say you're not interested and they'll go away
<5> right, stop
<7> shonuff, I hear much more from athiests than I do from the religious.
<2> I've seen bitter angry christians and bitter angy atheists
<8> TheTailor, I'm talking real world, whatever your experience is in this channel may be something else.
<4> Airbuster, I think thats true in many cases, i think the majority of atheists on this channel especially the more mainstream libertarian and conservative atheists have more respect for religious people.
<0> bitter and angry, increases with alcohol level, imo.
<4> I dont hear rightwingers near as often call religious people dumb
<4> And its silly to call them dumb
<8> TheTailor, that doesn't change my point because a few trolls come in here telling you how silly you are believing certain things.
<7> shonuff, you are here, this IS real world, but also off IRC in conversation I hear more about there being 'no god' than I ever do people asking me to go to church.
<4> Was Einsteing, Stephen Hawkings and Charles Darwin Dumb ?
<4> These people believed in god.
<1> good god
<8> TheTailor, ok well I hear much more from the religious than I hear from atheists. What's the point? we can talk personal experiences all day.
<1> my wife is in the kitchen
<3> true, ft. I'm mainly talking about those in the media. Mainly the comedians who are always making a joke of religion
<1> and i am trying to reach her stuff
<8> TheTailor, does it mean your experiences are more valid than mine? no.
<6> saying troll, is silly to me, just because some one don't agree with ya, there trolls?
<4> Charles Darwins father was a preacher, he just had a love of science and insects when he was a kid and later animals and why difference species of the same family existed.
<1> but not anymore
<1> hehehhe
<4> Airbuster, No I appreciate what you are saying.
<7> shonuff, and there isn't any 'commom sense' to it at all, it's just fact, you hear athiests spouting off more than you get people trying to convert you to one church or another.
<1> my wife says i am to short to suffer her rwrath!
<2> you only hear teh athiests who have an axe to grind
<7> shonuff, I don't know that you have any experiances.
<1> hehehe
<2> happy atheists don't spout off
<7> shonuff, I was talking about mine.
<4> US Male, Exactly
<8> <3> atheists are generally mean-spirited and filled with arrogance and contempt, whereas religious folks are not <== this is absolutely ridiculous.
<1> ShoNufff!!
<2> the angry bitter ones like Michael Newdow are runnig around spouting off
<4> Happy atheists dont give a damn about the dollar saying "In god we trust"
<6> yes shonuff
<3> shonuff, non-Muslims I meant to add
<4> Or Put your hand on the bible and swear.
<8> mean-spirited and arrogance comes from you as a person, not what religion (if any) you belong to.
<4> In fact its a historical tradition which I prefer.
<6> mean people are of every race, religon...ect...
<4> because I love history
<4> I dont want white washed government which ignorese all of religion.
<4> ignores
<6> this nation was founded on religion
<9> ShoooNUFF!
<4> No it wasnt.
<4> THATS GOING TO FAR.
<4> This nation was founded on LIBERTY
<3> founded by a very religious people
<6> it is in every thing that as written
<4> initial caps were not intnded.
<4> Here is the problem
<6> haha
<4> Let me explain
<8> TheTailor, well, my experiences are the complete opposite of yours. I've never had atheists knocking on my door asking me to not believe in god or such thing. But I've had many jahova witnesses, christians, catholics, etc approach me about their religious beliefs and wanting me to join or donate to their church.
<9> i am serious
<9> you guys
<6> it is ok i hit the capps button sometimes too : )
<9> imagine FT with a fro
<9> and a darth vader mask
<7> shonuff, and you never heard an athiest speak on their belief?
<4> This country was not founded by christians in the sense that they wrote hte constitution or are considered the founding fathers many of whome were not christians many of our reverred heros of history were not christiand, but it is true that the population was christian mostly though we had jews early on and we had others.
<10> /clearI don't care if you never come hom... I don't mind if you just keep on Rowing away on a distant sea.... 'Cause I don't love you and you don't love me.
<6> ok...
<4> pardon my typos
<10> oops
<8> atheists don't belong to any church, group, etc. religious people do, and when you belong to something, you want others to join it. They are the ones doing most of the throwing beliefs down your throat thing.
<7> shonuff, I don't remember the last time someone knocked on my door and asked me to go to church, if it ever happened. From time to time there are those that want to give me a flier...
<11> m/sg Lupine| but I loooooooooove you
<4> Lupine ? :)
<4> haha
<3> shonuff, they belong to the corrupt politicians
<4> Well, Some religions dont want you.
<4> Jews dont want madonna.
<4> She is am emberressment to them
<4> For example.
<4> Jews dont ask people to join.
<2> Kabalah is like a cult Judaism
<7> athiests ARE a group
<6> i have people who come to my house every month, and give me books, asking me to join there church, i don't mind them doing that, they come say hi, give me their books and talk a few mins, and then leave, it don't bother me at all
<4> Christians do because its part of their religion but despite this a lot of christians will not try to convert you in anyway
<8> TheTailor, sure, I've heard atheists speak of their beliefs, but it's usually a RESPONSE to someone religious that approached them with bible material. A response is not the same as out of the blue throwing your beliefs down another's throat.
<12> TheTailor, not usually organized though
<8> the religious guy who approached him is the one who did the throwing
<4> they fact is a lot of christians and I do mean a LOT really believe more in the higher power concept of god than they do the dogma of their sect.
<7> shonuff, and just because you belong to a church, doesn't mean it's automatic for you to want others to join it.
<8> TheTailor, and I never said it was
<2> what is that group that runs aorund knocking on doors ?
<7> Ys you did
<2> not 7th Day is it ?
<12> US-Male, mormons
<2> not Mormons, some christian splinter
<4> My dad is a protestant episcopalian who has gone to church his entire life but he doesnt believe people of other religion are inferior, or are gooing to hell or anything like that and thats common among the majority of christians.
<7> shonuff, "... religious people do, and when you belong to something, you want others to join it.."
<4> At least a slight majority
<12> every mormon kid is required to do that missionary work
<2> "Witness" or something
<12> jehova witnesses
<8> TheTailor, no, I said if you're going to talk about who's doing the MOST of throwing their beliefs down another's throat, it's MOSTLY those who belong to a religion or church, not atheists who don't believe in any such thing.
<2> Jehovahs WItness!
<7> shonuff, that was false
<4> US, 7th day adventists ?
<2> yeah
<2> similar to 7th Day
<2> Jehovahs WItnesses
<4> And jehovas witness
<4> they are kind of cultish
<4> slightly
<6> jehova witnesses, are the ones who keep comming to my house
<12> 7th day vs. latter day
<4> not seriously dangerously so
<6> they are nice and not forcefull
<4> pANINI hehehe
<7> shonuff, nobody tried to 'push sonething down your throat', by your own addmission
<13> mormons come to my house
<2> I used to get Jehovahs WItnesses knocking on my door every damn Saturday morning, and I had worked late and drank even later teh night before
<4> Lupine I agree as an atheist
<8> TheTailor, yes, and I've been speaking in general, I didn't say because you go to church you absolutely positively go around getting others to join you. I have religious friends who never talk to me about religion and we get along great.
<13> i drink a can of pop infront of them and tell them to politely F off
<10> Tens of thousands cases? HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS>...
<2> one time I pretended my big dog's name was Satan, to scare them away
<7> shonuff, that is what YOU posted, if it's to general that's your issue
<10> fr33: i swear, I wish the USSC would get some cojones, and make some rulings by itself.. "No, you can't sue over in god we trust. period."
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