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<0> the KLA was an islamic terrorist organization supported by bill clinton
<1> not adequately imforming congress or letting it have some oversight is an afterthought
<0> bill clinton also provided support to the chechens
<2> Louis Mountbatten killed in his boat by an IRA bomb
<0> the head of islamic jihad was killed by the mossad yesterday
<0> in lebennon
<2> Louis Mountbatten was murdered by an IRA bomb while sailing near his holiday home in County Sligo, Ireland, on 27th August, 1979
<1> probably clinton's fault too
<3> kskdak - Please install identd
<4> Whoever knowingly and willfully communicates, furnishes, transmits, or otherwise makes available to an unauthorized person, or publishes, or uses in any manner prejudicial to the safety or interest of the United States or for the benefit of any foreign government to the detriment of the United States any cl***ified information
<4> (1) concerning the nature, preparation, or use of any code, cipher, or cryptographic system of the United States or any foreign government; or
<4> (2) concerning the design, construction, use, maintenance, or repair of any device, apparatus, or appliance used or prepared or planned for use by the United States or any foreign government for cryptographic or communication intelligence purposes; or
<4> (3) concerning the communication intelligence activities of the United States or any foreign government; or
<4> (4) obtained by the processes of communication intelligence from the communications of any foreign government, knowing the same to have been obtained by such processes
<4> Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both.
<4> Or Publishes. and who Publishes ? Journalists
<4> You notice this specific law which is applicable to the nsa its the toughest law on the books on this issue.
<4> And as I said the genesis of this statute which I just Published came from the case of the magazine who leaked that we have broken the Japanese code.
<4> I hope he is still around.
<5> heh, that's why the public will NEVER have quantum computers
<4> Lithium, There is the statute
<4> 18 USC not 22 as I said I wasnt sure of the title
<5> unless someone starts selling them on their own outside the US
<4> http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode18/usc_sec_18_00000798----000-.html
<4> Any cl***ified leak is technically illegal
<4> but this particular type of leak is the worst type to be prosecuted under.
<4> because in some case law there is intentional ambiguity
<4> In this particular case law I remind you it as a result of Japanese code breaking being published this law was p***ed.
<4> So if you want to scoop the press and tell the enemies of the USA whats up, Tell them anything other than the type of work the NSA does.
<4> Because its the easiest type of leak to prosecute both the journalist and the source.
<6> The first time a President hesitated to press employment of the statute, he set the stage for all his sucessors.
<6> Since it hasn't be prosecuted, then any president/justice department that does will be picked apart.
<6> And one that's already in jeopardy in the polls.....
<6> politics
<6> But, the answer is it should be prosecuted now and should always have been.
<1> Fr33Trade: i know there's a law, you can defer to the espionage act of 1917, i asked you if the supreme court ruled on its legality
<6> The question is politics is always, "what do we do today?"
<6> or can we do
<6> even what can we get away with
<5> man, the new owners of Six Flags are out of their minds
<5> $20 for parking because they are in the hole...that's just insane
<1> $20 lol?
<1> which six flags is that
<5> A few of them
<2> six flags is probably more expensive than wal*mart
<5> they took their crappy old free parking and made in Preferred parking
<5> in = it
<5> $10-$15 for regular parking for all parks
<5> Disney only charges $8
<1> universal its $10 i think
<4> http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode18/usc_sec_18_00000794----000-.html
<4> There is more statutory law
<4> Under title 17
<5> I could see for that...but not a crappy Six flags park that doesn't have any big coasters
<4> Lithium why go back to 1917 ? And yes it has been affirmed by past courts the applicable law here which is easier to prosecute was made around 1950 or so.
<3> Guest11 - Please install identd
<4> Im looking for it brb
<7> http://www.thedudeblog.com/uploaded_images/image005-766052.jpg
<1> Whoever, in time of war, with intent that the same shall be communicated to the enemy, collects, records, publishes
<1> need intent for that one
<4> You will find this interesting
<4> TITLE 18 > PART I > CHAPTER 37 > 795
<4> Ollie North was kicked out of Iraq for unintentionally violating that one once or it was Geraldo, one of the two.
<4> because he drew a map in the soil
<0> that was geraldo
<0> oliver north isnt that dumb
<4> it is actually a crime for a reporter to do this
<4> but they just kicked him out of Iraq for awhile.
<0> freetrade - half of the stuff reporters do now is a crime
<4> It was obviously no intent to cause harm.Both men are truely patriotic.
<0> all the crap they spin, lie, and tell to people.
<0> their propaganda and distortions is sickening
<1> crusad3r sounds like hannity
<4> He must knowingly commit the crime, but no intent has to be proven to harm the usa..
<4> Thats why the first statute I cited was important.
<4> You have to know its cl***ified informaiton you have recieived
<5> Six Flags is funny too...... You can buy a Qbert for around $50 that allows you to skip lines and make reservations..but if you buy the GOLD Qbert, your wait times are shorter...but if you buy a super duper p***, you don't have to wait in the Qbert line, go through the back gate of every ride and get to get front row on every coaster
<4> and they admit it
<4> in the case of the NYT
<4> they admit it was cl***ified
<4> but the justice dept does not have to prove intent to harm the usa
<4> typically in Criminal law there must be some intent to harm.
<4> there are a lot of exceptions but thats the rule of most laws.
<1> stop trying to prove the obvious
<1> my question remains, which supreme court decision affirmed that statue
<8> statutes don't have to be affirmed
<1> Fr33Trade claimed it was though
<4> Yep thats the law they referenced in committee and I was right in my guess, Which I didnt claim to know but I was right it was p***ed originally in 1950.
<4> I have not gone to supreme court citations, but I did record the committee hearing. I can get the cites if I want to or I can try to find them off the net now.
<4> There are the statutes and no other statute claims that the press has exemption from the law. it never has..
<4> Freedom of the press as they used the example tonight mean people like Thomas Pain handing out incendiary pamphlets...
<4> it doesnt mean leaking cl***ified info
<4> brb Ill check the supreme court cases see if I can find anything real quick.
<1> there's a distinction though between leaking the info and publishing what was leaked to you
<1> if you have security clearance and you breach the contract that goes along with it, you're surely guilty
<1> if you never had clearance and someone gave you info, thats a different story
<1> no one claims that press is above that law, thats a strawman
<8> "Berlusconi" is italian for "Al Gore"
<1> is that the new PM
<1> ?
<8> no, the old PM who still claims he won
<1> he conceded like a month ago
<8> I think it was a week ago actually, but http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/5017582.stm
<9> anyone know a good trojan scanner?
<9> i just foundout that my virus scanner is outdated
<9> and i have so many trojans that i can't even boot into safe mode
<1> how would you even run the scanner then
<9> well tahts the weird part
<9> i can boot up windows and stuff
<9> but its so congested
<9> certain exe wont start
<9> so im thinking - i got this IDE to USB
<9> and i will scan remotely
<1> prolly spyware
<10> auughh
<9> no
<9> they are trojans
<9> i use vcleaner.exe
<10> back from work. 19 hour day. it hurts.
<1> how do you know
<9> and i finally scanned with AVG
<10> fortunately i get paid by the hour.
<9> but it didn't get rid of them
<10> now elproblem is that I have to resync my sleep cycle
<10> obviously this 18 hour day with me not asleep at 5.23am has already ****ed it up
<10> and i gotta work early both sunday and monday
<10> grr
<8> grr
<11> 'morn doc
<12> hey bud ... trying to find the Turley and Isaacson statements in the topic
<11> there is none. something Fr33Trade saw on cspan
<12> bud: the intelligence committee held hearings on the role of the press in intelligence leaks
<5> heh, with the new smoking laws, everyone stops by and hangs out on my back deck for morning coffee, I should start charging
<12> I can only find the opening statement by the chairman
<11> OcDoc yah, i dont believe transcript is out
<5> charge $100 for parking boats
<5> heh
<12> the opening statement by the chairman quotes some witnesses
<5> LOL, the only thing people talk about here is not being able to find workers
<12> it's about the balance between the important role the press has in monitoring government and the legality of releasing sensitive information
<5> none of the businesss owners could give a rats *** about what is happening with Government BS games
<11> OcDoc well question is, is it lawful for the media to publish cl***ified info that was leaked to them
<12> I guess it's true that "freedom of the press" doesn't mean that "the press" can steal or rob or commit murder, right?
<12> so where is the line drawn?
<11> Fr33Trade says it isnt, lithium says it is
<11> only laws i could find on the matter are from the 50's and have been stuck in 'review' stage ever since
<12> well, we can go back to the intent to protect the press and other free speech ... it is for the public good, right?
<12> it goes to intent ... what is the purpose of printing sensitive information?
<11> profit? =P
<12> if it is necessary to print the information in order to protect the public from corrupt government then we lean one way
<12> if it is to sell copies and does harm to the nation, then we lean the other way?
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