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<1> bud` : why did the Bunyaks work for a Power Company ?
<2> timur: u played Oblivion yet?
<3> Timur, you're older than me?
<3> I thought you were like....34
<0> KAtey: nope, just am immature often :)
<4> sheesh - you are young pup Timur and Katey is even younger...
<0> Jukov: Oblivion?
<3> Kaliuna, not by much
<3> :)
<2> its a game
<3> I'm 36
<5> AAAman, you know you want him, iniformation or not
<4> Katey -- well I'll be 59 this summer - so you are young!
<3> :)
<6> But the problem is that, as a society, we talk about "race" when it suits another political purpose. We had a "one-drop" rule where anyone with "one drop" of African blood was of "the Negro race." If that's not constructing race, then I'm a blond blue-eyed Viking!
<0> ah.. no, but I do play OFP :)
<2> hi moomi :D
<7> yowz|| - attempting to make me throw up
<4> Katey -- you are hmm about age of my middle son
<0> k, gonna watch Sopranos and take it down. :) night all
<6> Do we ever say such things about cocker spaniels?
<3> My dad will be 50 this fall
<3> :)
<3> ack. 59
<3> hard to think of him as nearly 60
<4> Katey -- ahh my age then... probably just as ornery -- my hubby will be 60
<3> in my head he's stuck at like...well, my age right now
<3> :)
<8> Katey: How old is that? :P
<4> Katey -- thats a nice way of thinking about him -- thing is as we get older -- ehh we do slow down just a bit
<9> the fact is that the only thing that separates jews and arabs is religion, and religion is hardly a race characteristic
<10> http://www.husseinandterror.com/
<10> except it's also history and diversity and experience.
<3> astrodog, 36 :)
<10> and bbl.
<9> still not race specific
<8> 15 years older than me. Heh.
<4> astrodog you really are just a young puppy -- should be astropup :)
<6> howdy_ and sometimes that's not even true. There are Arab Jews in Iran, Syria, Yemen and many other Arab countries.
<3> :P
<9> FedUp yeap
<8> Katey: Well, atleast barring a teen pregnancy, you couldn't be my mother. :P
<3> I'm trying to come up with some fun stuff to do with the kids this summer. I think we'll make pinhole cameras and goof around with them some
<3> I wonder if I can set up a make-shift darkroom in the basement
<11> howdy_: why is it important if they were the same race?
<8> KAtey: Is there light in there?
<9> make the kids do all the house work during the summer, that will be very fun
<9> for you
<9> lol
<9> Libertine my point is that the only people who ever called jews a race are nazis and americans.
<4> Katey -- grow a veggie garden -- learn the how to take care of plants and the results can be edible
<3> astrodog, a bit. But I think I can cover it up
<3> just a couple of small windows
<11> howdy_: im pretty sure the jews call themselves a race :P
<4> Katey -- how old are kidlets?
<6> In fairness, those who refer to Jews as a race in America do not do so with the same intention as Nazis.
<3> Kaliuna, 7 and 9
<3> and I will probably have their friends over a lot
<6> Most of them, that is. We'll leave the skinheads out of it for now./
<9> Libertine they don;'t actually, and the ones who do are doing it to distinguish them selfs from arabs, because of all the fighting between those two, jews and arabs
<9> Libertine there is no real argument that jews are arabs are different races
<4> Katey -- right ages -- got my 7 yr old grandsons learning about gardens and stuch, and of course swimming lessons and tenting outdoors... cool stuff like that
<8> Katey: Or, handle the film at night.
<3> astrodog, yeah. good idea
<4> oh ya filming stuff and that can be fun too -- as can many other activities
<9> It's always a sad moment in a man's life when he is out of cigarettes
<8> Katey: For the red light you use to see while you develop it..... get it at a photo place. Just "red" generally won't cut it.
<8> :P
<9> :-(
<6> howdy_ The argument is to question the word "race." It's all but meaningless.
<9> FedUp what is meaningless with it?
<6> howdy_ Well, you acknowledged earlier that there are Arab Jews. So how can Jews and Arabs be of a different "race"?
<9> but i never said that they are of a different race
<6> howdy_ howdy_: Libertine there is no real argument that jews are arabs are different races
<9> and if it seemed like that, it's probably because bad english. i thought it was clear i was saying the same thing
<9> the opposite thing
<9> lol
<3> astrodog, yeah, I know a good place to get one
<9> FedUp yeah.. that means they are of the same race...
<3> And I have a crazy old friend who's been a photographer for years
<9> oh lol my bad
<9> Libertine there is no real argument against the fact that jews are arabs are different races
<9> that's what i meant
<6> howdy_ Oh, you meant to say: "The argument that Jews and Arabs are different races is false." Saying "There's no real argument that..." seems like you're saying, "You cannot dispute that...."
<9> bah
<9> lol i ****
<9> anyways, there is not real argument to back up the opinion that jews are a race
<4> Katey -- photography thing -- start soon - find a bird's nest and have them take pictures over several weeks time -- or something that changes during the season (can use it later for school too)
<9> that's what i meant, sorry for confusing
<3> Kaliuna, that's a good idea
<6> howdy_ Again, if you say "there is no real argument against the fact that...." then you're basically saying "It is absolutely true that..."
<9> lol
<6> howdy_ Thus my confusion.
<3> Although, I think the birdies are hatching already
<9> ok ok
<6> howdy_ try this: "You cannot make the argument that Jews and Arabs are different races."
<4> Katey -- also might do some walkabouts -- look for dried chicadi or other "shell" things
<9> ok that :P
<4> Katey -- well then hurry -- I have baby swallows here -- already
<3> my husband said he noticed a bird deliberately flying around, trying to distract the dog and get her to follow him
<3> and then today he said he thinks he saw a fat little baby robin out in the yard today
<4> hehehehe -- could be
<9> Kaliuna in India there are birds who act as a team, one distracts you, and the other takes the food from the table
<9> seriously
<3> howdy_ we have squirrels who do that too
<3> howdy_, in the park near the capital
<4> Katey - there are a lot of other things they can take pictures of -- same thing through the season that would be great for later projects
<4> Howdy - ya -- great jays do that -- around here
<3> Kaliuna, yeah, we live right next to the park.
<3> so I'm sure there will be lots of stuff to take pictures of
<3> the neat thing about pinhole cameras is you get a real understanding about how the camera works
<6> howdy_ Anyway, to answer your question: I think "race" is meaningless because it's always used for political reasons. Its meaning shifts with each usage to suit the agenda of the speaker. Thus Jews are a "race" when Nazis propagandize. African-Americans are a "race" when it suits discrimination. The word implies some absolute, uncrossable difference between people but it's never clear what the basis of that difference is.
<3> and exposure times, film speeds, etc
<4> indeed -- and make sure they plot the spot from which they take pictures so they take later pictures to notate changes
<3> right
<4> Katey - one of my sons did that one summer - made a little map - somany feet from X -- picture -- kept a small notebook of day time etc
<4> he later used it for one of his school projects
<3> we're doing summer on the cheap this year, as you can probably tell. :)
<1> Katey : have you seen this http://users.vnet.net/timmywt/pics/JHTgrave.JPG ?
<12> was reading something about that search on jeffersons congressional office
<1> ggrr
<1> wrong channel
<12> they made a full copy of his HD, took two boxes of documents, and refused to let jeffersons or the houses lawyers witness the search
<3> there's a Katey in another channel?
<8> lol
<3> :)
<1> Katey : no but her name is Katie!!!!!!!
<3> ah
<3> well, I hope she enjoys those gravestone pics
<4> Katey -- ehh -- get yourself a crafts projects book - or get some off net to try with kids
<3> :)
<3> Kaliuna, yeah
<3> that's the plan
<12> also i just heard hastert now, he thinks the white house leaked the false information about corruption allegations against him
<12> hah
<4> used to do all that when my sons were younger -- made sock puppets and paper mache` kind, built little theaters from cardboard boxes --
<1> Katey : this time I mean you please read this http://users.vnet.net/timmywt/obits/SteveOThomas.jpg
<12> trying to intimidate him
<13> Jefferson is related to George & Weezy
<8> Its ironic you mention puppets.
<8> Since I'm watching "Team America"
<13> maybe Hastert is a conspiracy wacko
<13> shrug
<14> A former juror who sent Scott Peterson to death row says she's been corresponding for nearly a year with the former fertilizer salesman convicted of murdering his pregnant wife
<12> hes probably right :P
<12> the house should start doing some investigating of its own
<13> he doesn't have a way to know that, so he's basically paranoid.
<1> I got a cousin that is really named Dr House :-)
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