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<0> Pickle, I was looking at Indian statistics in Manitoba
<1> No one dares defend the treaty anymore, it did terrible things to the German people.
<2> much like the billion + of Islamic followers and others today who use America and Israel as their scapegoat today
<1> Way beyond what the deserved.
<0> Pickle, On the reserves here, over 50% of people under the age of 18 abuse household products
<1> KoBushi: Oh, certainly! You're gonna switch to that side all of a sudden? :)
<0> Pickle, and 68% of them started before the age of 11
<3> bellhaven I'm not defending the treaty by any means... but it doesn' justify what Hitler did :)
<4> The last person who had the opportunity to stop ww1 as France and Russia, without which ww2 would not have occured.
<1> KoBushi: Of course it doesn't justify it, but it explains it.
<4> well this is all hindsite, but its the most probably truth.
<4> probable
<1> It doesn't matter whether you think it's just or not, it's just the way things are.
<1> Kick someone, he gets mad.
<5> Herzen: So few? That's progress!
<2> [11:18] <FreeTrade> is that the level of history they teach at the unemployment office these days? <--- hahahah gotta love comments from the idiotic peanut gallery
<5> :P
<4> Rusty, as long as people know he is not me.
<4> And Most can tell.
<2> hehhehe
<3> belja simular to OBL... with his ties and charisma he could have been a very real psotivie influence in the middle east, helping people to improve thier lives... but instead he gatherd followers to lower the people of his region, like Hitler
<4> Because he says things I would never say
<4> I am calm and comp***ionate, he is mean and disturbed.
<1> KoBushi: Or like Bush, who could have taken Afghanistan and chased Osama bin Laden into Whereveristan, instead going for Iraq.
<3> belja Hitler CHOSE not to be a positive change... OBL and others have done the same.
<2> disturbed being the key word
<2> hehehe
<4> Yep
<1> Another thing in common is ****ing the international community.
<4> brb
<3> belja I agree, I did not approve of the abandonment of OBL's persuit
<1> Hitler just said "**** you, I do what I want!" to the League of Nations.
<1> As Bush does. And of course it's scary, regardless of what he's trying to do or what good is going to come out of it.
<1> When a huge military power with global implications all of a sudden just tells the international community to go **** itself, it scares.
<3> belja but, to say taht the int. community CAUSED ww2, is incorrect, Hitler+friends caused it theya re soley responsibl, they had PLENT of other reasonable venues and they did not chooe those.
<1> KoBushi: Well... unknowingly caused it, can we agree to that? :)
<3> belja absolutely not
<1> Oh, come on.
<2> belja, actually.......
<5> Herzen: The problem with ncix.com is that too much of their stuff is out of stock
<1> It's a historical fact that the Treaty of Versailles was a key element in the rise of Hitler.
<0> Pickle, I think thats because they leave everything listed
<1> Or as close to a fact as history can get.
<2> up until germany invaded Poland, the Germany was in its legal right
<0> Pickle, Say they order 1000 monitors of a certain brand in 2001
<0> its still listed in 2006, just as 'out of stock'
<3> belja the Tready of Versaille did not cause Hitler to attack Poland
<0> They need to houseclean
<3> not to scapegoat the jews
<3> nor*
<1> KoBushi: It caused support for Hitler.
<3> belja no, hitler did that
<1> Ah, the Hitler-was-just-too-damn-handsome theory. :)
<2> Belja, if a country tried to ***asinate a former president of Iceland, would Iceland have the right to go to war?
<1> The one we're taught in school.
<3> it cause an oppertunity for Hitler to rise... but the peopl still CHOSE to raise him
<1> Yeah, they did.
<1> They were fed up. By everything, and then there was this guy who actually seemed to give a **** about his country.
<1> I mean, that's ***y.
<3> the treaty did not CAUSE those people to choose hatred
<2> Belja, if a country tried to ***asinate a former president of Iceland, would Iceland have the right to go to war?
<0> you can't tell me hitler was unattractive -- http://doda****ler.ytmnd.com/
<1> You might even convince 300 million people of the legality of an invasion into an independent state contrary to international laws, with such charisma.
<2> belja?
<1> `426Hemi: No. :)
<1> `426Hemi: Absolutely not.
<2> HAHAHAH
<2> so what would it take?
<1> `426Hemi: That's punishing the people for the actions of a maniac!
<1> `426Hemi: It would take a direct attack on Icelandic soil.
<1> `426Hemi: Anything less than that wouldn't justify it in my opinion.
<2> i see... and so the world should just "deal with the maniac" until he dies?
<1> `426Hemi: It's that or kill tens of thousands of innocent people... so basically, yes.
<2> so it was better to let Hitler remain in power?
<2> than go to war against him?
<0> you can't tell me hitler was unattractive -- http://doda****ler.ytmnd.com/
<3> belja so anyway, as above, the US's actions have not caused people to embrace fundamentalism. People make those choices on thier own, no one else is to blame. (Well, there may be some unknown blackops that had rather direct inluence, but these would be very few and far between if existant at all)
<2> hahhahaha Herzen
<2> Do the Hustle!
<2> hahaha with the fancy footwork and everything!
<2> thats hilarious
<3> So, I don't agree that the treaty of Versaille (sp?) caused ww2, even indirectly. Nor do I agree that US actions have caused terrorism.
<1> KoBushi: Okay, if we would impose another Treaty of Versailles on Germany, we should "know better", shouldn't we? I mean... regardless of justifications, we know that it just spreads violence and hatred, right?
<1> KoBushi: It's not enough for them to be the bad guy. If we know our actions are going to make them mad, we shouldn't go for it.
<2> belja should we have let Hitler stay in power?
<3> belja we learned and now know that poor people are easily duped into hatred and accepance of violence/genocide
<1> `426Hemi: In retrospect, no, but it's always easy to say that afterwards.
<2> belja, should we have let Saddam stay in power?
<1> KoBushi: Yes, and the more people they know that have been killed and maimed by bombs, the easier it is to get them on their hate-mongering maniac side.
<6> BAGHDAD, Iraq - New violence flared Monday in northern Iraq with 40 dead in a suicide bombing, while Shiite leaders cut off political talks and denounced the United States over a weekend raid that they said killed worshippers in a mosque.
<1> `426Hemi: Yes. Two words: United Nations.
<2> Belja 1 word with 2 nations
<3> belja probably not as much that as a lack of economic mobility
<2> INVASION
<2> of 2 countries
<3> belja which underlines the importance of rebuilding Iraq
<2> GENOCIDE of 100's of 1000's
<2> how is what Saddam did any worse than what Hitler did?
<1> `426Hemi: How profound. I see your point now, war is really just fine.
<2> or any "better" i should say
<1> KoBushi: I agree with that, I'm all for the rebuilding process.
<2> belja i don't agree with all wars but i agree with what Thomas Jefferson one of our founding fathers said
<3> belja reguardless of wether the invasion was justified or not... and I still hold mixed feelings about that... the US needs to remain in iraq until it can be reconstructed.
<2> the first insult leads to many others
<1> KoBushi: But we cannot OK the invasion, otherwise we're giving a moral green light to nations like Iran, China and N-Korea.
<2> and should be dealt with in the most severe of consequence
<1> KoBushi: I can agree with that.
<2> personally belja, I think we should have ***asinated Saddam
<2> not invaded
<1> `426Hemi: Same here.
<1> Much cleaner.
<2> but we have that ****ing idiotic anti ***asasination policy
<2> =((
<3> belja it was certainly a gray line. There are many reasonable arguments for both sides of the Iraqi invasion debate... the existance of the cease-fire and Saddam's continual violations of it make the matter far less cut&dry
<1> Don't worry, the CIA doesn't care. ;)
<2> yes they do
<7> Killing Saddam wouldn't have accomplished what we are there for.
<1> The CIA? Listen... the CIA... does... not... care.
<1> Period. :)
<2> its a presidential directive, we personally can't ***asinate other countries leaders, just our own =(
<6> NEW YORK (AFP) - US President George W. Bush made clear to British Prime Minister Tony Blair in January 2003 that he was determined to invade Iraq without a UN resolution and even if UN arms inspectors failed to find weapons of m*** destruction in the country, The New York Times reported.
<7> belja, you don't know anything about the CIA so shut up.
<1> Well, if we're gonna throw **** at each other, we might all take heed in the fact that western nations put him in power to begin with.
<3> belja if Saddam had not continually violated the cease-fire agreement, then I would have been firmly against the initial invasion.
<1> AND tolerated him with full knowledge of his atrocities, literally up until the day he invaded Kuwait.
<2> Belja, yes WESTERN powers, does not equate "USA" in an entirity
<7> toomey, yeah, the NYT is a pillar of honesty
<1> `426Hemi: I wasn't, that's exactly why I wrote "western" and not "US".
<1> `426Hemi: But again you simply ***umed I was saying something you could argue with. :)
<2> belja, good i am glad you are able to make that distinction
<2> nope i didn't ***ume
<2> i am glad you understand that there is more to the "west" than just the USA
<1> `426Hemi: Trust me, as European, I make sure to make that distinction. ;)
<2> dude
<2> you AREN'T European
<2> you are Icelander
<1> Bwaaahahaha! ;) I'm gonna write that down.
<7> belja, I'm not sure western nations put him in power, he was there.
<2> hahahahhaha
<1> /topic #politics <2> i am glad you understand that there is more to the "west" than just the USA
<1> I can not imagine one thing I agree with more. ;)
<2> belja, its just like i call Finnish "Finlanders"
<7> Island isn't part of Europe to me
<1> Mmh, it's actually a bit controversial here as well. ;)
<1> Personally, I think we should rename the country from Republic of Iceland to The Icelandic Empire.
<3> belja but, even if you opposed the invasion, it is imporper to 100% blame bush... congress shares in this blame : http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=107_cong_public_laws&docid=f:publ243.107
<1> Take over Faroe Islands before they find the oil and "liberating" them from Denmark.
<3> As, the congressional intelligence oversight comittee had access to the same Intel as the Bush admin
<1> KoBushi: Oh, don't get me started on US congress. :) I'm not gonna go there because it's really none of my business... but ooooooooff.
<3> You can't say congress was duped.
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