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<0> It was a license in Nevada and a 5 minute weddign ceremony
<0> With no family or friends.
<1> do you think that our culture which through the military and marriage excludes homo***uality has a negative psychological impact on the young homo***ual individual?
<0> But this was after we decided to have kids.
<0> Different people feel differently obviously
<0> but there are many ways to show committment is my point.
<2> greetings
<0> I dont think the military should exclude gays, I think thats an anachronism. The next generation will surely fix that.
<0> As for marraige its a different issue
<0> I dotn think it belittles gays or discriminates against them
<1> does not Bush's statement that he would support a constitutional amendment banning gay marriage help to reinforce all the ideas their love is somehow inferior...that they are inferior
<0> I support domestic partnerships which give some privelages to homo***ual couples that married people have.
<1> because that is the message it sends
<3> no
<4> FT, with all respect, there are some things about the military that apparently are difficult to explain to those who've not been in
<5> colby.. no cause he said he would support civil unions
<1> JanetB: that would be OK if heteros did "civil unions" as well and not "marriage"
<0> Like marraige tax penalty ;) And right to devise property to their companion in life, Right to hospital visits and legal say in the medical treatment or when to pull the tube with their partners.
<5> and at one time, gays asked for just civil unions, and then all the sudden it had to be :marriage"
<6> Free: if anything the next generation will be more intolerant
<0> OcDoc, the statistics right now dont indicate that.
<6> I had to constantly correct my kids ... they'd come home from school with "gay this and gay that"
<0> the statistics right now show they are more liberal on social issues and more conservative on fiscal issues
<6> I asked them what they had against the gays ... nothing
<2> gay marriage is all about the perks of marriage, not about marraige
<0> It looks like a generation of Republican liberals Or libertarian small ls is following us.. (I mean by that the kids who are in their early 20s today)
<5> colby... marriage is ours... it is between a man and a woman.. I am tried of them higacking what is ours in the name of civil rights, 1. it is not a civil rights issue and 2, look at the word gay.. at one time it ment happy
<5> why, all the sudden does it mean homo***ual
<0> My generation cause i am on the cusp, I am a baby boomer but i am also a boring 70s generation, My generation doesnt really care
<1> JanetB: how did marriage become yours? who said so? your bible?
<0> And what I have seen in the other generatiosn is more tolerance.
<5> colby, history
<2> baby boomers **** ballz
<2> :)
<6> Janet: it IS a civil rights issue ... married couples pay less taxes and they don't have to prove anything at the hospital, and employers give them additional benefits like insurance
<0> Pugsley you are an 80s man right ?
<0> YOu have any issues with gays ?
<2> uhm
<0> IM a 70s man
<5> OcDoc.. not ture.. we file seprate, cause together we are taxed more
<2> I didn't used to
<0> OcDoc is a 60s man ;)
<2> but gaydom is everywhere now
<0> You changes ?
<2> gettin a little tired of it
<0> Yes but lets make it clear
<0> What are you tired of ?
<1> anyone who detracts from the idea of gay marriage is, as far as i'm concerned, a destructive force on the psychology of the homo***ual individual
<5> and I am not saying a civil union should not have the same right
<2> them trying to force themselves on me
<2> haha
<0> The politics of *** or the fact that people are gay ?
<0> Most people are sick of gay politics and other than the military issue I tend to agree.
<2> the politix
<0> Yep thats my point
<2> I could care less what gay people do
<2> I don't hate em
<7> My wife and I file together, we pay fewer taxes that way.
<2> I've known a few in my lifetime
<0> the in your face attitude of some gays is just backfiring.
<2> some are alright people, some ain't
<3> I'm so ****ing sick of individuals thinking their "psychological welfare" takes priority over EVERYTHING IN THE WORLD
<5> ie; the right to pay more taxes, the right to pay more in insurance.. and hospital access
<0> Gays have the same constitutional rights we all do
<1> FreeTrade: there's a lot of fury in the gay community and it is justified
<2> justified how?
<8> Angry gay men.
<0> The only area i see discrimination is the military, anyone can get married even gays but the definition of marraige is a man and a woman.
<9> yes but dont infringe on the majority's rights in order to please the minority
<2> we spend ****tons of money on aids for the gays
<0> But I have no problem with domestic partnerships.
<0> We have them in California.
<2> even tho other diseases kill more peeps
<9> if a gay couple can get bennies why not non married live in hetro couples
<8> FreeTrade: Gay are allowed in the military but they can't be openly gay.
<1> Fretless: that's like going back in time to say dont infringe on the majority's rights just to free some slaves
<9> or poligamists
<9> not really
<2> Fretless: exactly
<3> MOST people have no problem with comestic partnerships... MOST people call don't see a cat and call it a "dog" because that isn't what it is
<5> gays are nothing like the slave issue
<9> agreed
<0> MrRod, Yeah but I think they should be able to be openly gay they should not be able to be activist in the militry, NOONE IS ALLOWED to be activist in the military
<10> AP - The U.S. Army in Iraq has at least twice seized and jailed the wives of suspected insurgents in hopes of "leveraging" their husbands into surrender, U.S. military documents show.
<10> thats hot
<0> in the military you will do what you are ordered, you dont get the same constitutional rights as others. Until you serve your term or kick you out.
<5> td.. and the point is?
<2> td: hehe
<2> td: pretty smart
<2> :)
<10> oh no point, just fresh news off the wire
<5> boring news
<0> and now days if you show any signs of not being able to handle this mans all volunteer army they dotn put you in prison or make you stay, They send you home on a bus
<0> But I dont see any incosistancy with being gay
<8> td-: It's not news. Lots of countries do that. It's common in China, for example.
<0> Pickle of course, imagine any war in history where we didnt eavesdrop on the enemy with military power alone.
<7> MrRod it's far more newsworthy than who some movie star is ****ing now
<0> Its a perogrative of the commander in chief.
<7> :P
<0> the only way you can argue its illegal is to argue we dont have a war.
<0> But when you have a war even undeclared i think the courts should interpret it as a war.
<8> KoBushi: Oh my God! Who is Brad Pitt boinking now?? I HAVE to know!
<0> We should of delcared Korea a war, And Vietnam, And Gulf war 1 and Gulf war 2
<5> the congress funded it and gave him all power needed to fight it
<5> it is a declared war
<2> FT: yeah
<8> FreeTrade: We don't declare wars anymore. Get used to it.
<0> If we dont declare them wars by congress, then by consent of time they should be interpreted legally as wars.
<11> It's worth nothing that despite the fact that 68% of Americans support the wiretapping of suspicious Americans, the New York Slimes healine on this poll was "New Poll Finds Mixed Support for Wiretaps".
<5> anytime you attack it is a war iMHO
<11> But no, there's no leftist media bias.
<11> http://www.nytimes.com/2006/01/27/politics/27poll.html?pagewanted=2&ei=5094&en=b93f38e07b4d88d0&hp&ex=1138424400&partner=homepage
<0> MrRod, thats my point it should be considered a war based on defacto evidence and whether or not declared in a sentense as a war, treated as a war judically
<2> I dunno about u folks
<11> Oops, here's the right link: http://www.nytimes.com/2006/01/27/politics/27poll.html?pagewanted=1&ei=5094&en=b93f38e07b4d88d0&hp&ex=1138424400&partner=homepage
<8> FreeTrade: It's a war.
<2> but seems to me the democrats may be imploding
<4> Pickle: Yeah I don't remember them giving Bush a "mixed support" rating when approval ratings were in the 30s
<0> And under war powers the commander in chief can spy, can eavesdrop, What if the enemy was in the usa? IN fact he is.. I think we should spy on them too, not just the ones calling outside the country.
<0> Part of the reason bush doesnt want to bargain with congress for a law permitting him to do so is the same reason no other president would.
<8> Pickle: The article says, "Fifty-three percent of the respondents said they supported eavesdropping without warrants "in order to reduce the threat of terrorism."
<0> The Executive does not want to conceed power to the legislative branchs it already has.
<8> Pickle: That's 53%. Mixed.
<0> IF congress has an issue I would rather it go to the supreme court.
<12> Pickle: hooray for common sense
<0> MrRod look at the numbers in the negative though ? The are around 30%
<0> So only 30% think there is a problem with it.
<0> or less depending on the poll.
<2> yeah
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