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<0> Highly Possible I will exchange for highly probable.
<1> hell, i wouldnt even use modern aircraft. id get all of those b52s sitting int he arizona graveyard and bomb their ***es with old aircraft just for overall effect
<2> didn't german parlament reject military option yesterday?
<0> Herzen, Even France is with us on this Iran issue.
<3> I think Iran is begging Russia to back it
<4> they have a female chancelor now...so yea
<1> "yeah ****ers, we dont even have to use our current hardware to shut your ignorant cocktraps up"
<3> Russia is saying "This is your own problem"
<5> "yeah ****ers, we dont even have to use our current hardware to shut your ignorant cocktraps up"
<3> Russia is trying to play the nice guy in all of this to all parties
<0> America wants Russia to deal with their nuclear material unused and the wastes. so in and out.
<1> MrRod: hey, thats my line
<4> Hemi - Actually, Russia is helping to work with Iran a deal allowing them to develope nucelar technology on Russian soil under Russian supervision
<6> Russia is trying to do what China does, play triangular relations
<6> Russia wants to weaken the U.S.'s position
<1> ill sue you for gimmick infrgingment
<3> ;but i think when it comes right down to it, Russia will say "Iran wouldn't cooperate"
<5> MikeyD: Did you think that one up all by yourself?
<6> so they attempt to turn nations against the U.S.
<1> surely
<6> instead of direct confrontation
<6> China does the same thing
<5> FreeTrade: The Chinese aren't.
<3> Russia and China both have said "All parties must negotiate and they have held iran accountable for non negotiation
<6> they've been damn Cagey about 6 party talks
<1> personally, i think a wall of b52s about 50 deep would have a deep physc effect to the enemy
<3> in the past
<7> Russia has been doing that for years IE the korean war
<0> MrRod, teh chinese arent what ? For Russia to exchange the material ?
<8> MikeyD: And, a ton of dead B52 pilots and crews.
<7> Solidified China on russia's side
<1> pfft
<1> i doubt that
<6> rond, until about 59
<5> FreeTrade: The Chinese do business with Iran. They don't want to ruin their relationship.
<7> yeah
<1> we might lose a few, but i mean seriously
<6> when China and USSR broke apart
<8> MikeyD: B52s are pretty damn easy to hit.
<1> what are they gonna do? roll out their superior airforce?
<3> rond it is no small thing to ignore and act against the likes of France, German and UK
<1> with what?
<6> infact in 68-69 China and USSR had some border skirmishes
<0> China needs America much more than the other way around, I think they would abstain if the others took it to the security council, I think its important to play out Russias Offer.
<1> spitballs?
<3> the "bations and stalwarts of peace"
<8> MikeyD: They'd just have to shoot SAMs into the air. Its a bad idea.
<0> Well I think the key to China is Russia..
<1> yeah well
<6> FreeTrade, China's mentality isn't particularily concerned about Iran
<8> Wouldn't even need to target them, with a target that big.
<6> As long as they have their tributary states
<0> If Russia is on board they dont want to be Isolated from the whole world.
<6> and as long as U.S. keeps acknowledging the One China policy
<6> China will be happy
<3> lets face it Europe is more timid than the USA when it comes to deciding peace or war
<1> i dunno. i still think its a grand idea, but i agree with you on that one
<3> if you can't deal with uk, germany, and france?
<3> something is wrong
<5> Herzen: Someday the One China policy will see conflict. One of these days Taiwan will insist on official independence.
<9> Iran and Hamas are together trying to fill the whore up till she accepts the date. If she does. Then The Shotgun Wedding between America and Iran will happen.
<3> MrRod actually....
<6> Foreign Policy wise, when talking about Sino-American relations, the acceptance of both sides of the One China policy is crucial
<6> Thats one thing China won't back down on
<3> i was reading a taiwanese paper the other day and the majority of taiwanese do not support the new Chen government
<3> they do not support his moves towards independence
<6> MrRod, DPP is smart enough not to claim independance, but KMT would be a more stable government
<6> for East Asian relations
<5> `426Hemi: I don't think they'll insist on independence now. But it will happen.
<1> oh good god
<0> I think in 3-6 months if Iran continues with the present attitude everyone who matters will be on board.
<8> Rod: Then they'll be invaded.
<8> China's made that quite clear.
<1> LOS ANGELES, California (AP) -- The city attorney's office has sued the makers of "Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas" for allegedly hiding pornographic material inside the video game, officials said.
<3> MrRod hte majority of them feel that they want to keep the status quo because that is independence
<3> =)
<1> how republican of california
<5> astrodog_: I don't know if they would.
<0> I think OIl fears were exagerated, cutting off oil to the world would quickly damage their economy much quicker than the worlds.
<5> astrodog_: If the Chinese government thought the US would support Taiwan then I doubt they would attempt an invasion.
<8> Rod: They'd certainly make us go away, even if they didn't invade, they'd blockade.
<1> "killing, carjacking, and selling dope is fine, but you suggest *** and were going to sue you"
<1> how ****ing stupid
<8> Rod: Over Taiwan, China would kick our ***. We've been over this. :|
<0> MrRod, exactly its the unknown factor which china has to contend with.
<5> astrodog_: China doesn't even have a navy.
<6> I don't think US would support Taiwanese independance
<0> Will America or will they not ? They dont know.
<5> astrodog_: Well, they have a rather pathetic navy.
<3> I don't think there is anything that America could do to prevent china from taking Taiwan
<8> Rod: ...
<6> see: Shanghai Commique, the 1978 Bilaterial Communique
<6> Communique*
<3> the only thing that would happen is a big stink in the UN
<5> astrodog_: Today I don't think China could take on the US over Taiwan. The way they're going maybe they could in 10 years.
<0> America Supports Taiwan independence, the question is would we support it to the level of going to war. and i think not.
<8> Rod: Consider how close Taiwan, is to China.
<6> FreeTrade, No it absolutely does not
<6> Thats factually wrong
<10> It's funny on the "colbert report" steven said that the US might invade any/all of the middleeastern countries withen monthes of ending the "war in Iraq. You think this is a way of gaining support for such an action?
<3> I have been reading lately that China is having a huge problem with internal strife
<0> But I dont know anymore than the Chinese know.. It could provoke a major war which would result in a lot of dead chinese.
<8> Hemi: They're having some riots, because they're relocating people to make room for factories and power plants.
<3> they are talking about "Reacting extremely to minor situations"
<9> China couldn't kick a can down the road. Unless it's the can they are kicking down the road.
<0> America has an agreement to support Taiwan.
<3> thats scarey
<5> astrodog_: Sure. But the Chinese military is very low-tech. It's big but no match for the US.
<8> Rod: Uh.
<0> America has said that the only way we will accept reunification is if its peaceful.
<11> 7.7 MAG QUAKE ROCKS INDONESIA
<6> FreeTrade, America has an agreement with China, which is standing and the basis for Sino-U.S. relations which recognizes the ONe China policy
<0> We have armed Taiwan to their teeth.
<6> and Recognizes that there is only one China
<9> Forbin : duh.
<11> http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/01/27/D8FD5UTG1.html
<3> Forbin, ****!
<3> Tsunami?
<11> aaagh
<8> The Chinese military is ~10 years behind us. In Aircraft, they're our equals outside of the F-22.
<3> or was it to shallow?
<11> The earthquake occurred about 120 miles south of Moluccas, the USGS said. It occurred at a depth of 212 miles.
<11> The Pacific Tsunami Warning Center said no destructive tsunami threat existed.
<8> Infact, the Su-30MKK is a better aircraft, in most respects, than anything we currently have deployed.
<3> holy crap
<0> For diplomatic reasons we abandoned Taiwan for CHina officially, Unofficially we have a policy of defense of Taiwan against china, But I dont think its a wise policy anymore.
<3> Forbin, uhhh
<9> astrodog : you are out of touch with reality.
<3> ok
<5> FreeTrade: It would be nuts for the US to state that openly.
<6> FreeTrade, Officially, the U.S. supports the 'peaceful resolution' of the Taiwan issue with China, and recognizes that there is only One China and that Taiwan is part of that China
<0> Because of the top secret radar system and I believe 5 Computer systems which take most the work out of piloting, Teh F22 Raptor is the best killing machine which flys.
<3> this was an after shock
<6> FreeTrade, If China goes to war, theoretically the U.S. would drop that view
<3> =)
<0> we can kill a target from 250 miles away.
<8> Free: We haven't sold Taiwan F-22s.
<0> Before it can see us.
<0> Astro, On yeah
<5> astrodog_: The US has them.
<0> true.
<3> hahahhahaha
<0> We wont sell anyone the F22s they are too high tech.
<3> ok FT here this?
<8> Rod: And where would we base them, in that conflict?
<6> Taiwan would fall to China in about a week
<6> if not less
<6> and China could obliterate Taiwan at will
<3> the democrats are accusing Harry Reid of flip flopping on the filibuster of Alito
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