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<0> As has always been. :)
<0> Timur: Well, you get the point anyway.
<1> it's acknowledgement of objective truth
<2> to be tottaly hind site and 20/20 alot of Palestinians didn't really like ARafat
<0> Timur: Which is exactly what they call it in Iran as well. ;)
<1> the only 'point' I get is that one side acknowledges reality, and the other more often deliberately ignores it.
<2> there's gonna be a civil war in Palestine
<0> Timur: Both sides do both.
<2> yet more muslims killing each other for power
<1> and that's why Iran is a ****ed up pariah state that may soon be bombed. voila
<3> `426Hemi, and a lot of them were jumping up and down shooting guns celebrating him as theya re today with Hamas.
<1> back to work.
<0> It's not as if the US government is in reality very unbiased, you know. :)
<0> It is their stated goal to think about America's interests first.
<0> So ***uming that only the other side ignores facts from our side, at best is... well, a bit naive in my opinion.
<0> Everybody bull****s from time to time.
<0> Not just me and Chomsky. ;)
<2> heh, maybe that wall isn't such a bad idea now after all, although i never opposed it
<4> Difference is that the US gov't isn't where we get our facts from.
<0> Glock21: Your press isn't doing a great job, and if you doubt that, learn a European language or two and read a few news stories here.
<2> Tailor, as i said "alot", not all obviously
<4> We don't even have to listen to "our press"
<0> I'm not saying they're any more correct, but the stuff that does NOT hit the US papers is just phenomenal.
<4> ****... english.aljazeera.ent if you want
<4> ent->net
<2> they love arafat, but they didn't like him as a leader, they liked him as a symbol
<0> Glock21: The English version of al-Jazeera is actually quite bad.
<2> Tree Ents
<0> It's like BBCNews, the different languages are in effect different newspapers.
<0> They don't just translate the stories, they write totally different ones.
<0> You should check out what the German press is saying, for example.
<4> Fine... go there if you like.
<4> It isn't restricted.
<5> CometBaby: the savings portion is marginal compared with the death benefit, that's why
<5> i mean, i suppose that's the logic
<0> Glock21: Are you talking to me? (Because that didn't make a whole lot of sense in terms of the discussion.)
<2> the majority of the time the press doesn't represent anyone but try to promote an idea of their own
<5> i'm not advocating it :-/
<0> `426Hemi: Which of course, according to theory, is their job.
<2> no
<2> their job is to report the facts
<2> the news
<2> not their opinions
<2> tahts what OPINION sections are for
<0> `426Hemi: Hah! Speaking of Utopia...
<0> ...the fundamental element of freedom of speech is letting ALL views being heard, giving it up to the reader to distinguish truth from lie.
<2> I would love to make a news organisation that did just that
<0> So a paper without opinions is basically worthless.
<0> You read science papers if you want the facts.
<2> I don't want sensational ****, I just want the news
<4> "common sense" in nations with free press and free access to foreign press will be far closer to fact than "common sense" in a nation where the press is strictly controlled by some gov't.
<0> Or do a checkup on news articles (another thing I bet hasn't even occured to you, `426Hemi)
<0> Glock21: Well, we were discussing a related thing earlier.
<4> I noticed.
<0> My company censors the Internet now. I can waste time on anything I want, except what's politically incorrect.
<0> Now, as `426Hemi so furiously pointed out, they have the right to do that.
<2> Armon is your company state owned?
<6> Armon hang on here for awhile...426 is pretty much a news/info junkie
<6> but he does do that on his own time not on companies
<0> So if somebody at a news agency says, "We're not gonna print that, it's too [whatever]"... do you think there's gonna be a rebellion defending freedom of expression?
<4> Your personal squabbles with your boss didn't really concern me... hence why I didn't join in.
<0> No, they'd say "It's company policy and they have the right to do it, go look for a work elsewhere".
<0> And that's all that would happen.
<2> rond +( sometimes i don't even report the facts, but i will hunt them down
<0> Glock21: That's aside the point, I'm comparing the two cases.
<4> News agencies decide not to print stories all the time.
<0> Glock21: Exactly. :)
<4> That's the whole editorial process.
<0> Precisely.
<4> Most news stories, aren't interesting to their audience.
<4> They have to pick the ones that *are* interesting.
<0> And if they, purposely or because they won't face the bad news, DON'T print the bad stuff about America...
<0> ...what's there to make them do it?
<0> Glock21: Yes, and those who don't for example cause a public outrage.
<5> Armon: the press is self-regulating...
<4> They are free to publish entirely anti-american things
<0> Or a lawsuit or something.
<4> Plenty of smaller newspapers do that.
<7> that's exactly what i try to point out to anyone who says "i get my news from unbiased sources"
<0> Glock21: SMALLER newspaper, yes. :) Why not the big ones?
<0> Glock21: Think about it. Why wouldn't the big ones do it as well?
<5> Armon: the press used to not publish stories that were embarr***ing to the president, such as affairs, but now it's pretty normal to go for the jugular
<0> They don't notice it?
<4> Armon... because the audience is smaller for that stuff.
<0> Glock21: Touch.
<2> Glock, yes and sometimes they don't care what the readers want to read they will print their bull**** anyway in order to obtain a certain political stance within a certain portion of the population
<0> Because most people aren't interested for **** about what America is doing wrong, they only want to hear what America is doing right. :)
<4> Bigger newspapers print both.
<0> It's a perfectly understandable perspective, I'm sure it's much easier to dig up dirt on Iceland from the outside as well.
<2> we have a fox affiliated station here that is EXTREMELY liberal
<0> Glock21: No they do not. ;) Trust me, I read four languages fluently (Icelandic, English, Danish and German) and the volume of bad news about America that ISN'T seen on CNN.com and similar mediums, are just overwhelming.
<2> lefty crap
<2> its quite nasty
<0> I'm gonna get Fox.
<0> I was under the impression it was a far-right news agency.
<6> and 3 of those languages are very anti-american just in themselves
<0> rond: Bwaaaahahahahahahahaa!!! ;9
<0> rond: Now, THAT's racist.
<2> hahahah priest on trial for saying "Christ existed"
<6> so whats new
<6> that is not rascist
<0> rond: Just to make it clear...
<6> how old are you
<2> uhmmm its kind of blaspheme NOT to deny him
<2> er i mean
<2> uhmmm its kind of blaspheme to deny him
<0> rond: The dare to print stuff that doesn't suit America! That's not anti-anything, except anti-censorship!
<0> When America ****s up, we should talk about it to make sure it doesn't happen again.
<0> If my mom ****s something up, I'm gonna criticize it and try find a solution. That doesn't make me "anti-mother".
<0> It makes me "anti-****ing-up".
<2> if you deny the existence of the holy ghost its blaspheme, the holy ghost can not exist without the christ
<2> hehehe
<4> Yes, the US media doesn't criticize its own government.
<0> I mean, that's the entire point of democracy and freedom of speech.
<4> stfu retard
<8> Armon, you are devoiced (Requested by Glock21 )
<6> thanks glock
<6> this guy needed that hours ago
<4> Our media just worships the glorious state!
<4> Have you even read a US newspaper in your ****ing life?
<4> EVER?
<9> Glock21, Yay the State!
<4> ffs
<6> we need to ban all icelandic IP's
<6> there so stupid its a waiste of time
<2> i say that we elect the Geico cavemen for president and vice president
<8> Armon is banned (Requested by Glock21 )
<2> Aflac duck for the next justice appointment
<6> I have personally spent a lot of time with one icelandic older guy, thought I loved iceland till I started meeting them on IRC
<2> oh man, and then the Capital cheeseball that is always getting fubared
<2> Capital one
<2> we could get him the job of press secretary
<4> This particular icelander can't stop arguing that the US isn't the unflawed center of the universe...
<6> I am now suspecting they have such a weird lastnaming scheme to hide the results of years of incest
<4> He still hasn't found anyone that will argue against him.
<2> America has flaws?=0
<4> But it doesn't stop him from arguing against that ghost.
<2> Reid will vote to sustain a filibuster
<7> i thought he said he wasn't going to
<2> i think we kind of knew that though
<2> Fallllout he said if there is support fora filibuster he will go with party lines
<2> hehehe
<2> I knew he would
<7> that guy is supposed to BE party line
<2> i knew as soon as Kerry came out there was going to be a filibuster
<7> what a
<7> ehm.
<2> they will have to pull a nuke
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