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<0> but 20% ****ing of i a fine price to pay if they care about thier work
<1> astrodog_: **** yeah. :)
<2> work isn't WELFARE, thats why they call it "work" heh
<0> 0% ****ing off just isn't a realistic long-term situation
<1> If I got into a job interview and got that ****, hell... I'd wash dishes (where an ***hole boss is actually appropriate), rather than work programming for such a moron.
<1> `426Hemi: That isn't the point.
<1> `426Hemi: You just don't get it. IT'S NOT ABOUT WASTING TIME.
<3> kobushi i think as much as 50% ****ing off is a win, in my past experience. good people who care about their work get more done in 1/2 day than regular losers who NEED the job get done in 2 days
<2> Kobushi, obviously in reality, 100% productivity is an impossible goal
<1> `426Hemi: When you say, "I recognize that the censorship at your work has nothing to do with you wasting time on anything".
<4> Armon you don't get it...when you own the company you make the rules
<1> `426Hemi: Then I'll continue this absurd discussion.
<4> when you don't you don't
<1> rond: Well, DUH. I wasn't implying that it was ILLEGAL.
<0> Null_Ptr true; as long as they don't have to do the job twice it's all good.
<4> neither am I
<1> rond: Obviously not. So what's your point? I know they make the rules!
<4> quite bitching
<4> and work
<5> rond: We're explaining to Rusty that its generally very poor management techneque to operate that way.
<1> rond: Why? Obviously they're gonna treat me like a baby anyway, so I might as well just act like one.
<4> lol
<2> HAHAHHAA
<4> you are a baby
<2> oh my god
<1> When I get censored after the work I've done here, that tells me one thing and one thing only: WE DON'T APPRECIATE YOUR HARD WORK.
<0> did someon say babe?
<1> And at best that's an insult to this team.
<1> We've always done a great job, we always meet the requirements and in general it's a happy happy happy place.
<1> And then **** like this is hit in the fan, for absolutely no reason at all, except that "the company *can* do it".
<1> It's like they put up censorship, not out of reason, but out of sheer prejudice.
<2> hahahahha
<5> Armon: Have you considered that they didn't intend to block content, and they just bought some device?
<1> The ***umption that we're gonna waste all day on it, as opposed to occationally checking it out.
<1> astrodog_: That is exactly what they did, they bought a thing called "WebSense".
<3> armon have you considered, maybe they did it because other employees complained about employees looking at offensive content?
<1> I mean, I understand it with the guys answering the phones, they only stick around for a few months and really don't give a crap about this company.
<2> lets add up all those times in a week that you wasted time using company resources
<1> But people up here, working for years, doing a great job, enthusiastic and p***ionate about getting the job right done, we deserve more respect than that.
<0> Armon perhaps they are concerned about work-place lawsuits of har***ment and etc from people visiting sites that others may find offensive.
<5> Armon: Heh. Trust me, they aren't intending to really filter traffic. They're probably just using it for chaching.
<2> I bet it ends up being like 5-6 hours throughout the week
<1> And `426Hemi automatic ***umption that we're not worthy of it, oughta show what immense lack of respect he has for other people in general.
<2> so out of a 40 hour week, x however many employees, thats ALOT of money
<6> Why do I suddenly have an overwhelming urge to ban Whisper73?
<1> astrodog_: Actually, it's just a policy going too far.
<6> Hmm...
<0> ie: allowing employees to surf porn sites is a good way to have to deal with ***ual har***ment charges.
<1> I mean, I understand using it in some circumstances, like the guys down in the telephone.
<7> Armon, it's just like drug testing. Everyone has to do it. I am no druggie .. far from it .. yet I had to do it like everyone else.
<1> There there's an actual reason
<1> But putting this **** on us here is just an insult.
<1> And entirely unjustified.
<1> CometBaby: DRUG TESTING?!?
<1> CometBaby: They do DRUG TESTS in companies in America now?!?
<0> Armon why do you wnat to go to white supremicy sites anyway? :P
<5> Heh.
<1> KoBushi: "Know thy enemy"
<3> Armon is a little spoiled.
<7> Now listen, there IS a big problem with people looking at porn on their computers at work. If the company doesn't want to pay people to do that, and monitor for those who do abuse, that's their perogative.
<5> Armon: Yeah. Manditory stuff.
<0> Armon know they enemy on your own time :P
<0> thy*
<1> CometBaby: Again, for the fifth millionth time, that is not the case here.
<1> CometBaby: And that is not the reason they do it, and that reason doesn't apply here.
<1> astrodog_: Jesus ****ing Christ.
<1> astrodog_: What does it take for Americans to be concerned about their liberties?
<0> Armon I'm sure the company doesn't want to deal with the problems it'd have if a minority happens to see that you are viewing white power info.
<7> Armon, here is what you should do. Go find another job.
<7> and stop bitching
<1> I'll take a drug test when I'm arrested, but otherwise, no way in hell.
<1> KoBushi: That's none of anybody's damn business! That's the essence of freedom of expression!
<2> i wonder how many people get hurt on the job, ****ing around NOT doing their jobs
<2> i bet its quite a big chunk of change
<1> `426Hemi: You ***ume so, and you're wrong. At least in this case.
<1> You oughta make an effort to lighten up your world view, man.
<8> hmm employers do not have the right to know if they are hiring a drugie?
<9> god damn pharmaceutical revolutions
<0> Armon it is thier BUSINESS actually :)
<10> 426Hemi: having worked construction, you'd know that injuries happen even when people ARE doing their jobs
<2> well IT folks arelike "Ohhh! I got a paper cut!"
<9> JanetB: theres a difference between casual, recreational use and addictive junkie use
<8> if they are druged and hurt on the job.. who pays for it?
<0> Armon you being permitted to view those sites is a work-place liability.
<1> JanetB: If it isn't obvious enough to inflict work... no!
<7> Armon, the rules are not made with YOU in mind. Maybe you don't look at porn but someone else does. It has become a major problem and a lot of companies are taking action.
<1> JanetB: In fact, **** no1
<7> There is also a large group of ppl who IRC from work.
<8> if they are druged and hurt on the job.. who pays for it??
<1> JanetB: If it's not a big enough of a problem to be spotted on the duty, they should just mind their own damn business.
<2> L0c0, i have seen people ****ign around with nail guns and **** and getting hurt, don't give me that crap
<2> heh
<1> JanetB: If I were a brain surgeon on acid, I'd understand.
<10> ok
<1> JanetB: But that's not the case with 99% of the population.
<2> i watched a friend nail gun a dudes foot to a roof
<8> again. if they are hurt on the job.. and they are using, WHO pays for it?
<10> ****ing around w/ a nailgun takes an extreme amount of stupidity and effort
<7> Armon, if you don't like the rules, then form your own company and make your own rules. Throwing a tantrum in here, is not going to solve anything.
<2> ****ing around
<1> If I were stoned at work, I'd work slower, and it would show, and they'd fire me for being a lousy employee.
<1> They shouldn't need me to prove that I'm innocent.
<10> maybe the problem is you hired total idiots
<10> haha
<0> L0c0- nah, they disable the nail gun saftey so they can work faster
<2> L0c0, I didn't hire idiot
<0> L0c0- so an accident isn't that difficault.
<2> they were my crew
<7> Armon, if they ask you to take a drug test .. quit. And never go back. lol
<10> why do they want to work faster?
<1> CometBaby: I happen to love this company. That's why it hurts me to see it put up stupid policies like this.
<7> that's the anarchist way
<7> lol
<10> oh yeah..the overbearing slavedriver of a boss
<10> haha
<1> CometBaby: I wouldn't take a drug test without a warrant. Ever.
<7> armon, then quit your job.
<1> Not for my moma, not for my kids and not for my employer, not for anyone in the entire world, without a warrant.
<3> That's because you're disconnected from reality.
<8> I see the question of who pays for them getting hurt
<1> CometBaby: I don't want the quit my job, I want the policy changed, and in fact, I'll probably succeed.
<7> armon I recommend you go to work for someone else that would never offend you. Good luck.
<1> Because, you see, at this company, the bosses actually give a **** about what the employees think.
<2> Armon, in america as a condition to work for a company, you take a drug test.... if you don't want to take the drug test you don't work there
<1> CometBaby: They can offend me all they want, but censor what I want to read? That they cannot do.
<2> go start your own company then
<0> Armon so, the bosses will say "You are right, here you may visit white power websites" ? lol
<1> CometBaby: And just to say it for the five millionth and second time, this has nothing to do with waste of time or resources.
<7> ARmon, lol. You are pissing up a rope .. its gonna come back down and splash on you. They won't let you dictate their policies. lol
<1> KoBushi: My boss doesn't even have a reason to +wonder* about it.
<1> I do my job, and damn well, at that.
<8> thye can censor what you read on their premisses...
<0> Armon then he's an idiot
<1> KoBushi: Actually, he's the best boss you could imagin.
<1> Imagine.
<1> KoBushi: And in fact he's the reason I haven't quit a long time ago.
<0> Armon if he's not worried about the potential liability posed by that situation, than he is't a good business man
<9> according to my email box, there is a pharmaceutical revolution, what is going on! :-/
<1> CometBaby: Maybe that's how it works in a fascist world view, but like I said, here they actually want us to work well.
<7> canibud you reading all those adverts for viagra?
<7> lol
<1> CometBaby: And they'll listen. Maybe it won't convince them, but at least they'll listen.
<9> CometBaby: pfft yea right'
<2> which leads me back to my original statement, working isn't welfare, and USA has the highest productivity rates in the world and one of the strongest world economies
<1> CometBaby: A whole bunch of stupid policies have been averted because of employees bitching about them.
<9> CometBaby: i just want to partake in this revolution !
<1> But I guess in America, the standard way is simply "no" and "I rule, you ****" and so forth.
<9> vive la pharmaceuticals
<1> "Quit your job"
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