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<0> thk you WotGorila
<1> Absolutely not
<0> we spent an hour trying to convince SonOfSpam of that sad fact
<2> I have a 11 and 19 year old, what a difference the change has been, for the worse I think
<0> its gotten to the point in which public school teachers are teaching from a script
<2> It's horrible
<0> everyone is running scared of losing fed funds
<3> YEAH
<4> ? You've got it all wrong. Mathematics is Mathematics, Reading comprehension is Reading Comrehension. If you cant find the 6 trig functions of a point on a graph, then you havent'y learned the math in cl*** being taught. Isn't that what standardized testing is for?
<3> crazy ****
<1> Heh... fun part of giving the feds so much power... they can really **** you in the *** later.
<1> Way to go "progressives"
<0> and its all based on a model program from houston school dist under rod paige, which has since been shown to be successful due to fraudulent scores
<3> I feel sorry for our next generation
<3> sheesh
<3> <--in houston
<3> yeah I heard bout that
<0> ryan, the pressure was so overwhelming on principals to report improvement, normally upstanding people caved into the pressure fearful of losing their jobs, and conveniently left out lower performing students tests
<2> I'll be glad when all my kids are out of school, I sit and do 4 hours worth of homework a night with my 11 year old, his backpack of books he has to take home weighs 20 pounds less than he does
<0> so the whole NCLB program is based upon a sham
<0> WotGorila, ouch
<4> Wait till he goes to college
<0> some schools provide two sets of texts
<0> college is a breeze compared to standardized test paranoid schools
<5> I found HS more difficult.
<4> not really, for most kids
<0> I'm telling ya, an elem cl***room isn't what it once was
<0> its all about drills and practice tests now
<0> over and over
<2> I feel sorry for parents that don't know the math work these teach kids these days, luckily my father in an nuke/aersoapce engineer, sometimes he can figure out my 11 year olds math homework, sometimes
<2> these = they
<0> wot, it can't be that bad!
<4> The difference between high school and college is: when you skip cl***es in high school, armed officers come to your house with guns and handcuffs, dragging you back to cl*** kicking and screaming. In college no one gives a crap weither you're there or not, and it's your loss of not only money but opportunity if you decide to goof off
<0> i mean, i am glad they dumped the fuzzy math of the early 90s
<5> and, cl***es are not everyday.
<0> and the whole language appraoch
<5> in HS, cl*** is everyday.
<5> so, you get an extra day to do the Homework
<0> in college, theres no bullies
<0> hehe
<5> yeah
<0> or halls and bathrooms to corner you
<0> or homeroom
<1> I've never worked harder in my life than when I was in college.
<5> there are halls....
<0> hehehe
<1> College is easy?
<0> not just one building though
<1> Wtf kind of ***** majors were you taking?
<1> Education?
<1> Basket weaving?
<3> lol
<0> there is no education makor, der
<0> major
<1> "Liberal Arts" pansies
<1> Oh I'm a philosophy major... yeah... **** off, some of us plan to work for a living.
<0> my major was, get this: "Individual and Family Studies"
<1> Theater majors were the best... yeah, I'll take fries from that.
<0> rofl
<1> Oh, a bit early... soryr.
<0> now is that a 70s major or what?!
<1> Education is a ****in' joke anymore.
<0> yeah, bush really screwed it up
<0> :)
<1> Uh huh... it was a joke before Bush
<1> And it'll only get worse.
<4> What good is an arts degree anyway? That's like saying "Hi, I'm really stupid and want to take the easiest degree possible, so I can get out into a job market that is almost non-existant for my degree type, and have plenty of free time to drink alcohol and do drugs"
<0> what exactly do you expect when we pay teachers some of the lowest salaries of any job requiring 4 year degree plus at least a 5th year credentials program
<1> Red_Barch... liberal arts is there so idiots can contribute to the University treasury too.
<4> hah true
<0> in new zealand, teacher pay is hiugher than a civil engineers on avg
<4> I had someone in another #politics channel dispute me saying there weren't any colleges that taught "liberal" arts. He was soon proved wrong and get a major attitude
<1> school teachers are like the blue collar workers of the education industry.
<1> They aren't paid less because they aren't worth it.
<6> teachers make too much where i live
<1> Oh wait, yes they are.
<0> well, liberal arts programs have dwinfdled significantly in last decade
<2> In NYC, garbage men are paid more than teachers
<1> WotGorila... at least the garbage men are useful.
<4> in NYC the guys who watch the subway entrances to make sure there aren't gate jumpers skipping out on buying subway tokens make more than teachers
<0> so, your solution is to make the pay even less likely to attract top condidates?
<0> can
<0> hehe
<1> top candidates?
<7> An artist degree is good for hmmmm....an artist ???
<1> lol... the teaching profession is for "bottom candidates"
<0> besides, it aint the teachers changing curriculum every time a new fad comes along; its district or state mandated
<6> SonOfSpam lol
<1> The top candidates do something worthwhile.
<4> Why become a teacher and get a masters degree to earn 35 grand a year, when I can get Chemical Engineering masters degree and make 100 grand?
<0> you're so lovable in the morning
<6> my sisters a teacher. I thought she'd be making ****ty pay. found out what she makes and couldnt believe it
<0> i was granted an honorary liberal farts degree
<4> did you remind them you didnt swing both ways?
<0> from my alma mater, taco bell u.
<0> drop the chalupa and spread em
<0> in mexico, the police use salsa spray
<0> instead of pepper ;)
<8> rond, arts in this context is like social sciences
<8> political science is an arts degree
<0> as is philosophy
<9> Q4 GDP +1.1% (very bad)
<0> history
<8> History, English
<8> Sociology, sometimes Psychology
<8> Economics is sometimes in Arts
<0> Herzen, but it has the term liberal in it
<9> Q3 GDP was +4.1%
<0> and you know how that raises hackles!
<7> I was talking about just a pure art degree but I do understand what your saying
<8> A Fine Arts degree
<7> I didn't read back past what I could see on one page
<0> i majored in buttoneering
<8> i majored in basket weaving
<6> so teachers should be payed more because of the education required?
<0> your basket need any buttons?
<8> no
<7> I have a major inkling my daughter will end up with a fine arts degree
<6> damn you could apply that to any number of professions
<8> rond, shes pretty young dude.
<0> who said that?
<8> Its tough to tell
<6> a paramedic requires CONSTANT education, they should be making $250k
<7> well with my family and how she spends her time....
<0> they should be
<7> and her mother was working on her fine arts degree
<0> I'm not sure about learning tom become an artist
<0> that seems to constrict your own style imo
<7> but I am working on her to be a pro skier or a pro golfer so...
<7> or both !!!
<0> maybe a graphic artist
<0> which isn't reliant on individual style
<7> I am a patriot so my son can be a farmer so his son can be an artist...
<7> I think that is how the saying goes
<0> lot of time on farms to paint ;)
<0> or roll in hay with rebecca from down the way
<8> The average Fine Arts major
<8> makes 6-16 thousand a year
<8> its not a great degree
<0> ouch
<0> even with a masters?
<8> If you have a MA maybe if you land a professorship
<8> but actually making and selling art
<0> 6-16 CD?
<8> its tough to make money
<1> I'm a democrat so my son can be a ghetto junkie so his son can be a gay prostitute at age 12 and his son can be sold off for...
<8> Linus-, yeah
<8> most of that 6-16 thousand comes from being a waitress
<7> I know a woman who has a PHD in Church Organ music from SMU
<7> I had no idea you could even do that
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