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<0> - The
<0> Homeland Security Department objected at first to a United Arab Emirates company's taking over significant operations at six U.S. ports
<1> Singapore with backing from CHINA bid on it.
<2> Abydos: haha...can you see me?
<3> tell your dad you will have him deported
<4> hi Publius
<1> AAAman, the default position of any security agency should be no
<1> They should have to be persuaded.
<1> Thats common sense
<2> Abydos: Thank you. I was afraid I couldn't be seen haha seriously
<1> we dont just trust people.
<4> heh
<5> peace hey ya wanna higher a hit man to beat up your dad? i know a couple os 1st graders?
<1> If India bought the ports they should default to no, and then go through the process of education which they did and now they firmly support it.
<1> They also put a couple conditions on it favorable to America.
<1> one was that we had veto rights over any employee hires..
<5> france now has bird flu
<5> president pepe lupue is upset
<1> The teamsters who are more guranteed to get paid now than ever are against it which makes no sense to me.
<4> well UAE needs to keep paperwork on US soil so they can accessed when needed
<1> But then the unions have almost abandoned their own interest in the USA which is why there is very little unions left.
<2> good riddance
<1> Abydos, absolutely
<4> well that part was left out the first deal
<1> We need full records made available to us at any time.
<1> I think its a requirement no matter who buys it
<2> Abydos: What were the strange exceptions in the original deal?
<1> I cant think of an industry which they dont require records on
<1> In both my state licensed professsions by law i have to keep records for 3 years.
<4> just a few from the reports i heard.
<1> Well its so much strange exceptions, we have extra rights over this deal above and beyond that of the UK.
<4> UK company was not state owned like UAE
<2> Abydos: Is it possible that this deal will result in some extra help per se from the UAE in finding Bin Laden?
<1> And frankly if they ever got caught involved in terrorism they would have their ***ets frozen and they would lose thier billions of dollars and they could be ejected from the USA any time.
<4> to me it's a big difference for a company vs. country owning/running somehting
<6> Abydos313, what possible difference would that make?
<1> Anyone who sponsers terrorism we can cease their money and ***ets.
<4> Publius hopefully, but i don't get my hopes up with arab countries
<2> TheTailor: Yo
<1> Look, if this was Saudi Arabia I would say no, though I do appreciate thier investment in our infrastructure. Cash investment and their ***urances of maintaining oil production to keep the price from going to crisis.
<2> Abydos: Ah. When I finally calmed down(Limbaugh) that was the first thing I thought this would do.
<4> a company in a country would have oversight by it's country, a country has no one really looking over their shoulders.that's the diff i see
<1> I wouldnt support Syria doing anything in the USA nor Iran.
<1> There are levels of our relationships with each arab country, or as in the UAE the various tiny countries.
<1> 6 in all.
<1> Some are enemies.
<0> president didn't know about the sale until after it was approved -- Where is the oversight
<1> The UAE is our best ally, ANd Jordon is a great ally.
<2> Saudi is 2?
<1> Egypt is an ally but its a rough one.
<2> well
<2> Iraq is 2
<2> I guess
<1> in fact UBLs philosophy stems from Egypt. Which doesnt mean egypt isbad but egypt harbors the man if he is still alive who inspired UBL.
<0> FreeTrade government Now routinely approves deals involving national security without the input of senior administration officials or Congress
<2> That's not true
<1> AAAman, COngress wrote the laws on commerce.
<0> FreeTrade -- I am not satisfied with our managment style
<1> AAAman, COngress wrote the laws which allows the approvals right now.
<2> AAAman: Congress just likes to sit on things until it is timely to cry about it
<1> They went through the entire legal procedures and Congress had 4 months to say something and said nothing.
<0> Commission report concluded that U.S. spy agencies were "unable to locate any derogatory information on the company," according to a person familiar with the document.
<1> noone objected when the deal was announced and published 4 months ago
<1> why ?
<2> FreeTrade: Thank you
<2> POLITICS
<1> Because congress is a dispicably incompetent and ignorant body.
<1> thats why.
<0> Commission and did not examine reported links between UAE government officials and al-Qaida leader
<0> Osama bin Laden before the Sept. 11 attacks.
<4> FreeTrade because our congressmen are clueless!
<1> IMO
<2> The Republicans want to appear to be free from Bush
<1> Aby, Amen
<1> Well a lot of everytign we will see between now and November will be election posturing.
<1> Both for people who are up for election and to posture for both parties to help them maintain seats
<0> FreeTrade -- President Bush, Homeland Security Secretary
<0> Michael Chertoff, Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld and even Treasury Secretary
<0> John Snow, who oversees the government committee that approved the deal, all say they did not know about the purchase until after it was finalized.
<2> Exactly
<1> but really in these kind of elections its the states which judge them and usually on issues of state importance not federal.
<0> Who is running the show?
<2> AAman: These people are top officials that are too busy to micromanage common port management
<1> John Snows dept approved it.
<1> how could he not know unless he is imcompetent and should be fired.
<0> Snow now says he may consider changes in the approval process so lawmakers are better alerted after such deals get the go-ahead
<4> we should analyze the other companies these officials have let thru. maybe those 1500 they let thru are suspect
<0> Snow did not approve it.
<1> AAAman, Most of your arguments are specious and have basis in reality.. For example why wasnt congress part of the process, well because congress wrote the laws which kept them out of the process.
<1> doh
<1> All Commerce laws are written by congress.
<2> OOPS
<1> or approved by congress.
<2> sing it
<1> All treaties approved by the Senate.
<1> ratified.
<2> remember the fake NSA spying cry?
<2> Congress wrote those laws too
<1> Snow did approve it because he had to sign off on it.
<1> And he did
<1> Maybe he wasnt paying attention to what he was signing.
<1> If so fire him
<2> Snow is fine
<2> Snow didn't think this port thing was a problem so he signed it
<2> my guess
<1> Snow is lukewarm but i have nothing against him nor does he thrill me.
<2> All this mumbo jumbo about people not knowing is so trivial
<0> President Bush, Homeland Security Secretary
<0> Michael Chertoff, Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld
<1> And his agency is not as geared to national security as the CIA and FBI and Pentagon, The pentagon probably being the staunchest supporter.
<2> it is all based on an the ***umption that the deal ios bad
<0> All out of the loop
<2> AAman: YOu are ***uming the deal is bad when claiming they didn't know
<2> AAAman: They weren't not come to with peopel crying because their departments approved the deal full scale
<2> were not*
<2> This crap was on bloomberg in November or October
<1> because there is a quid pro quo, which we have not reciprocated on. Not that one was agreed upon, but if you study for a minute all the things that they do for us in terms of military basing and forward support in the gulf region.. Man.. Its hard to just say no without a reason other than they are arab.
<7> Publius: ah, but AAAman has the special priveldge of being personally required to sign off on any deal, anywhere, any time.
<1> Yep it was published in the financial press in November or october is correct.
<0> Publius -- This demonstrates the importance ***igned to this decision and raises the question of who is minding the store
<2> Lupine: hahaha...I have no idea what that means unless it is a joke
<7> FT: right, and if they do achieve their dreams of being "the gateway to the middle east".. it can be a m***ive security benefit
<2> AAAman: This demonstrates the sadness of congress
<1> People who follow buisness and finance as some in congress should be doing knew of this 4 months ago.
<7> Publius: I just love how people think the president OWES THEM PERSONALLY full information on anything they want.
<2> Lupine: That's right. They want to be the gateway to the western world
<2> OH
<2> hahaha
<2> thats right
<7> FT: right, if they did NOT know about this 4 months ago, they're so damn ignorant to offer any rational basis of objection.
<2> Just like Cheney was required to call me when he shot his friend
<1> But heck I am done with this topic, I just ask people like AAAman to be more serious and study it more carefully. And everyone to undestand what they do for us in the middle east and in southern europe and Asia proximity
<7> Pub: i.e. AAAman demanding that *HE* is not personally satisfied wiht this deal.. Like well, **** off, its not your duty to decide.
<7> FT: they just want to cry like spoiled children. that's all. anything to whine and bitch about Bush.
<2> Lupine: Well don't be so harsh haha. You can get harsh when you nail them with the facts and they still refuse to listen
<7> to paraphrase a famous quote: bush could walk across the patomic and they'll bitch he couldn't swim across it
<2> HAHA!
<2> who said that?
<1> Im not here to defend nor to punish Bush.
<7> Senators who think they have the duty/obligation to investigate everything they wish.. should be shot down on the merits alone.
<2> Lupine: You know congress waited to bitch about this until now so they can begin the campaign
<8> If Bush walked on water or parted the Red Sea, tomorrow's headlines: "Bush Can't Swim"
<9> <7> Senators who think they have the duty/obligation to investigate everything they wish.. should be shot
<9> !!!
<9> I kid, I kid
<1> Bush probably should of forseen this in a political year or even possibly in another year, Someone on his staff should of said hey Bush there is a deal going down now which could cause a controversy You ought to get the people up to speed on it and call in the repulican leaders in congress and then the democratic leaders.
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