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Comments:
<0> Especially apps designed for older versions.
<1> well said P_O
<0> LSD_Wash, he/she/it fingered the whole channel.
<2> P_O: no, I am pointing out, that until Linux can do it, it'll have limited market penetration
<0> Lupine, and I'm saying that while that is true, that's hardly the fault of linux or open source software.
<2> But hell, let's not talk about the desktop.. but about the server. IDC just releaed that for the first time ever, Windows is the majority server OS..
<0> Yuck :P
<3> l;kj;lkkl;'
<0> Actually using Windows as a server isn't so bad
<4> lupine running windows apps wont help linux more than it helped os/2 . if you think thats the only thing holding linux back then i think youre out of touch
<0> it's IIS I have a beef with.
<2> P_O: it is the fault of their business model.. for example, NI has no problems obtaining the windows source code, to write their products.
<2> redfish: well, MOST of the people *I* know.. do not bother with linux as it doesn't do what they need it to do, i.e. their apps
<2> that's why I do not use it
<0> Lupine, by that logic they should just shrivel up and die since they can't get the windows source.
<4> maybe they say that but id doubt theyd switch to linux either way
<0> I'm with redfish
<1> people who come to me asking for help with viruses and spyware that makes their computer slow usually find their hard drives reformatted and Linux installed. After 1/2 hour of introduction to Linux apps, I almost never get bothered again.
<0> most people don't switch to linux cause they are uncomfortable with change.
<0> I bet most people don't even know if Linux could help them out or not
<2> redfish: well, for example.. we did alot of Mac.. but the OS-X pretty much ****ed that over.. so we just did away with apple
<5> P_O, really? good luck finding how to fine tune the tcp/ip stack in windows
<1> like my parents are linux users now
<1> haha
<6> the term "de facto" won't go away anytime soon
<0> falcon10, heh.
<6> and it's windows
<5> P_O, and i'm not talking about setting the MTU :)
<7> lol... how often do you need to 'fine to the tcp/ip stack'
<7> fine tune
<0> falcon10, I know, that's what I'm saying. :P
<5> LSDWash, i do that quite a lot.
<5> for example, i needed to increase the buffer for UDP packets
<0> Mmm. Datagrams.
<5> quite useful for DNS/radius/syslog servers
<6> why?
<7> that's a registry edit in Windows if you REALLY think you need to do that
<5> you cannot do so in windows
<5> LSDWash, really? which one? i've been searching for it
<7> 99.99% of all computer users will never need to do that
<5> LSDWash, all computer users, or all servers administrators?
<1> who wants to go for a smoke break?
<2> You know, these Chilean "sweet onions" are pretty good.. not quite a real Valdalia, but good
<0> salx, I would but I'm not legal to smoke :P
<0> And smoking doesn't quite appeal to me most of the time anyway...
<6> true dat, sometimes it can't be done via registry
<6> need a hex editor or something
<0> The Windows Registry is such a jumbled pile of ****.
<6> but that's not often needed
<7> [11:50] <0> salx, I would but I'm not legal to
<7> HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Services\DNS\Parameters
<7> MaximumUdpPacketSize
<5> _size_
<5> not _buffer_
<6> gotta edit thhe .sys file
<2> Well.. linux doesn't allow some low-level control of PCI bus transactions that you can do on Windows.. so it ****s for some data-aquisition systems
<7> it's a useless and futile exercise to argue with Linux snobs
<0> Lupine, there's nothing that's impossible with Linux since you can edit any given part of the OS.
<2> and the BX/GX chipset still is a beauty for that compared to most "modern" chipsets
<0> Granted that's a cheap argument
<7> linux is far better at some stuff, Windows is far better at some stuff, some stuff it's a toss up
<6> but it's fun
<0> but it's true.
<0> "You can't complain about that window manager cause you could write your own."
<6> since they usually are clueless
<5> why do people insist of seeing linux as the only alternative
<7> who does?
<7> since BeOS died, there are Windows, Macs, and Linux
<2> P_O: support for such control of the actual hardware is substantially less developed. at least last time I looked into it.
<7> not much else out there
<4> falcon the same reason firefox people pretend opera doesnt exist?
<2> LSD: solarius! :-)
<3> sfdfsdlkjsfd
<7> $_$
<1> slowaris?
<5> LSDWash, and solarsi, and freebsd, and netbsd, and openbsd, and so many other OS's
<5> slowlaris :)
<0> Lupine, hardware is a weak point of Linux, but that's usually because companies don't give the same info out to linux devel companies as they do to Microsoft.
<6> there are the bsd's
<7> most people lump BSD's in with *nix
<1> P_O: all that's changed now
<6> most dorks do
<0> salx, all of it?
<1> Linux has a much bigger market than it did say 5 years ago
<2> P_O: well, as an end user.. i don't care WHY someting can not do it.. :-)
<0> bsd and linux and unix have a lot of similarities.
<2> of course, for servers, Windows for the first time ever had majority market share [ at least according to IDC ]..
<6> i don't like being shelved w/ linux ppl
<6> but if you must
<0> Espectro, it's kinda sad that your elitism is more glaring than everyone else's here, if you think about it.
<8> just make sure you put a *nix box in front of those windows servers to protect them..heh
<0> lol
<2> bah.. *nix boxes get hacked as well :P
<6> xp sp2 is pretty secure
<8> true, but less imho
<2> but the worst physical damage i've seen from a virii was on an OS-8 box
<8> what did it do?
<2> Esp: two issues really: default install/configuration.. and how it is when properly configured
<9> [23:23] *walstib* no one cares about your weather
<9> [23:23] *walstib* or your asinine labor policies
<9> [23:24] *walstib* well, whatever
<9> [23:24] *walstib* i live in the USA
<9> [23:24] *walstib* i have an opinion here
<9> [23:27] *walstib* thanks for turning #politics into /.
<9> [23:42] *Arsenik* ****ing douche bag
<9> Nice people eh ?
<7> nice guy
<6> i got a broadcom chip nic
<8> i guess i slept thru all the fun
<6> so i can't use it as a gateway
<2> aby: custom written labview virii by a desgruntled former employee :-)
<9> Anyone who doesnt like it here let me know right now Ill fix it immediately.
<6> unless i ndiswrap the thing
<2> FT: bwahahhaaha
<0> FreeTrade, what if we don't like EFNet? :P
<9> Well Thats up to you.
<0> /kill P_O
<0> :P
<2> Freetrade: would it be better if we discussed GUUNNZZZZZZ......
<9> But if people dont like the channel, that I and Comet and Others built over the year, they can leave.
<9> Ive devoted 15 years to this channel.
<8> what happened?
<0> Abydos313, he got some pissing comments in PM by the looks of it.
<9> Anyway brb Have a coupel addressed to ****list
<8> heh
<7> people complain about everything
<7> eventually
<0> Even people complaining.
<10> quiet!! I am trying to concentrate!
<10> jk
<8> haha
<0> lol
<11> Hmmm seems like things are quieting down in Iraq
<11> No Civli war afterall ??
<12> not yet
<8> i really thought the crap would hit the fan with latest violence
<11> I didn't
<10> too early to tell
<11> When was the last civil war in any middle eastern country
<9> Ok, Thats one ***hole ****listed, and one Bigot from last might.
<9> night.
<6> ten years war?
<9> I have to do it on my other client now.
<11> was that a civil war ?
<9> Yeah it was PM
<9> I mentioned the weather here.
<6> well to some maybe it was
<9> he got his panties in a twist.
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