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<pxib> nharris: and you will be arrested for disturbing the peace
<icmps> pxib: The Iran issue is far more complicated than merely opposing their nuclear research.
<nharris> to say the least!
<pxib> icmps: Because they haven't built one yet.
<Rikkard> I hate both parties
<Rikkard> **** em all
<icmps> Just as Afghanistan and Iraq went beyond merely 9/11 and WMMDs
<icmps> WMDs*
<pxib> icmps: ...and I agree, there are lots of reasons to dislike Iran.
<icmps> pxib: Like their entertaining the idea of dumping the USD for the Euro ? :P
<pxib> THIS MEANS WAR
<Rikkard> On the one hand: Cold, arrogant intellectual ****head left. On the other, the knuckle dragging monkey *** Christian right...What a ****ing choice?
<weboh> icmps: iraq did not plan 9/11 though they stab every middle eastern country in the back.
<icmps> weboh: Neither did bin ladin. ;)
<US_Male> Rikkard: yeah. screw everyone !
<pxib> yeah i saw the movie.. .Doctor Bashir planned 9/11
<weboh> icmps: so you admit it was more than just bin laden who involved in the planning.
<Rikkard> Or Gaius Baltar
<weboh> error, who was involved
<US_Male> seems rather silly to ***ume rightwingers are christians though
<icmps> weboh: I admitted no such thing
<pxib> actually it's pretty sensible.. about 85% of America is christian
<US_Male> not really
<nharris> the primary putz on #30plus is -->| |<--- far from kickbanning me :)
<weboh> icmps: what's your point then?
<US_Male> 85% don't even really attend church
<icmps> pxib: Many christians aren't conservatives, though
<pxib> US_Male and icmps: Indeed! I'm just sayin'.
<icmps> weboh: . I thought it was clear.. he didnt plan it. (meaning he wasnt involved?)
<Rikkard> Well, **** you all too
<US_Male> a lot of people say they are christian because they are scared to be openly agnostic
<pxib> most rightwingers are christian and most leftwingers are christian
<pxib> it's a christian country
<US_Male> meaning, they were "raised as christian"
<Rikkard> Everyone is agnostic...anyone saying they have faith is a liar
<weboh> icmps: do you expect someone other than a moron to believe your comparison is valid.
<US_Male> I doubt that many people have a solid belief in god
<nharris> I'm agnostic. I see far more religion out of "devout atheists" than from mormon missionaries
<US_Male> in the US
<pxib> I'm an atheist, I got tired of being a ***** and decided to stick to my guns.
<icmps> weboh: What comparison?
<US_Male> that guy seems angry. lol
<icmps> pxib: What if you're wrong ?!
<icmps> US: It's 12:16AM and his homework is due in like 6 hours
<weboh> icmps: your analog comparison.
<icmps> I'd be pissed too. :)
<US_Male> probably
<pxib> icmps: What if I'm wrong about what?
<icmps> pxib: About your atheism
<pxib> I'd rather be wrong than sit on the fence.
<Rebec> icmps evening
<icmps> hi
<US_Male> it doesn't matter of you're wrong, or if you even take a position
<US_Male> *if
<Rebec> USM whatcha talking about
<icmps> It doesn't matter if you're wrong about denying the existence of 'god' ?
<US_Male> Rebec, belief in god
<Rebec> USM ah ok
<US_Male> icmps: nope. Doesn't matter
<icmps> Heh.
<icmps> I'd suspect 'god' disagrees. :)
<US_Male> if god exists, he still would regardless of your disbelief
<US_Male> if god does not exist, he still would not regardless of your belief
<Rebec> that's spoken like a true scientist
<US_Male> so, matters not either way
<Rebec> USM and by the way I am experiencing better living through chemistry it's great
<US_Male> Rebec hehee
<icmps> No, what matters is how god punishes you for denying his existence. :P
<Rebec> USM I'm serious....I'm on xanax now
<weboh> Sons of Plunder
<nharris> if atheists are right.. big deal, we all die and stop living. If they're wrong, the christians live on, and the atheists burn in hell. Seems like a harmless piece of insurance to at least pretend to believe :)
<US_Male> icmps: if god even exists, you mean ? How can you guess he would care ?
<pxib> icmps: What if you pick the wrong god?
<US_Male> Rebec is it good **** ?
<Rebec> USM it is
<icmps> pxib: That's a concern, too.
<US_Male> cool
<Rebec> I am very calm don't I seem chilled to you
<icmps> pxib: I'm agnostic, btw. ;)
<icmps> pxib: I don't pick any god :)
<weboh> nharris: if atheists are right, then even their moral arguments are worthless.
<pxib> I've found generally that religious folks are more upset with heretics than they are with atheists.
<nharris> heheh true
<US_Male> nharris: ahh but how does pretending help you any ?
<P_O> nharris, pascal's wager is the most idiotic thing ever.
<P_O> Because one it ***umes that belief is a binary thing
<nharris> yeah..the "pretending" part was kinda humorous
<US_Male> likie you can fake our a real god ?
<US_Male> *fake out
<P_O> and two it ***umes that god won't know you're a faking piece of ****. :P
<Rebec> pxib well I get more upset with idiots than either
<Rebec> hey PO
<P_O> Yo Rebec.
<weboh> But since some atheists believe in reincarnation, it is pointless to say they don't have an afterlife.
<US_Male> maybe god would respect you fr not fakig, and cal you an honest man =)
<nharris> being agnostic like myself though.. I have half a chance of not burning in hell if there is one :)
<pxib> weboh: I disagree... I believe morality exists without religion.
<US_Male> err
<icmps> P_O: come on it's better to reject the truth of religion than the existence of 'god' :/
<US_Male> maybe god would respect you for not faking, and call you an honest man =)
<US_Male> sans typos
<P_O> icmps, what?
<Rebec> USM or maybe he'd make typos
<US_Male> hahha
<icmps> P_O: atheism v. agnosticism ?
<P_O> Oh.
<weboh> pxib: if there is no afterlife, then morality is worthless. But even atheists can behave themselves.
<US_Male> gop is really god. The P is supposed to be a d
<P_O> I'm agnostic simply because atheism is indefensible logically, and in agnosticism there is nothing to defend.
<nharris> I believe in beer
<pxib> weboh: Uhm. Morality isn't worthless. Mortality makes my LIFE better.. not just some hypothetical afterlife.
<icmps> yeah
<P_O> weboh, that's not so.
<P_O> I can be moral without having some fat guy on an umbrella rewarding me for it.
<pxib> I do nice things and avoid mean things because it makes me happy and it makes everybody I know happy.
<P_O> (And yes my picture of god is a fat guy on an umbrella)
<weboh> P_O: but you are agnostic, what are you trying to defend?
<Rebec> PO I have a different picture
<P_O> weboh, nothing that's the point.
<pxib> I'm defending myself against mean people! BE NICE YOU MEAN PEOPLE!
<Rebec> everyone chill
<Rebec> don't stress me out
<P_O> Rebec, what picture is that?
<Rebec> I picture God as a large black woman and I don't know why
<tk> are you a large black woman?
<Rebec> tk nope
<P_O> Rebec, heh, cool.
<[Tempest]> I am
<weboh> P_O: Agnostic believe atheists could be wrong. that is a defensible thing. Atheism is indefensible, and stupid.
<US_Male> I dunno about you, but I'm REALLY worried about some god who I can't prove even exists, punishing me for things =)
<tk> are you black?
<nharris> Oprah
<Rebec> tk nope
<[Tempest]> which is why Twobar loves me so.
<P_O> weboh, well, it's defendable as a general belief, but it still boils down to believing something you don't know.
<Rebec> USM lol
<P_O> However, atheists > theists in my book
<US_Male> heh
<icmps> we really only believe that you can neither prove nor disprove the existence of god
<icmps> :/
<Rebec> atheists are theist they just beleive in a non-existance but they must be studying a lot to disprove it
<Rebec> so it is a religion etc
<P_O> Cause at least atheists are putting faith into the nonexistance of something that shows no signs of existing.
<pxib> Rebec: As an atheist I agree absolutely.
<weboh> P_O: The only true way is deism.
<US_Male> I believe in dayism
<US_Male> also nightism
<Rebec> pxib thank you, you are the first atheist ever to agree with me. I myself am a Christian however, I respect the rights of others to exist
<US_Male> and, cannibalism
<[Tempest]> I am agnostic, with strong atheistic tendancies.
<L0c0-> i see a difference between having a belief/faith and being religious
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