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<0> We do a pretty good job of patrolling Syria's border!
<1> air patrols
<2> it CAN be done bmc, but expensively
<1> plenty of stuff we could try
<2> you think all that is cheap?
<3> CometBaby, did I say that everyone is? No.
<4> "Oh Noes, the border is TO BIG, we must just ignore the law." Sorry not even close.
<5> That isnt xenophobic ? It absolutely is.. But people who want to stop them from coming over ? That is NOT xenophobic..
<1> no, its not cheap
<5> Thats a valid opinion
<6> and to put it forward as a generally true statement is the same thing
<7> Free: it IS xenophobic.
<2> bmc: prove to me that building all that **** is worth the positive effect it will have on our economy
<6> [02:44] <+P_O> FreeMrkts, if it makes you feel better, the people against illegals who are because they're xenophobically racist wouldn't like other ethnic immigrants either :P
<2> it would costs tens of billions to get that whole thing running
<2> per year
<1> Seamus the government is -obligated- to do so
<5> And I share that opinion to an extent.. But I dont think down on these people thats the difference between some and others, Yes we do need border control Noone is against that, not even the protestors according to fox when they interviewed them..
<6> that implies they are not only racist against mexicans but against all races
<6> which is bull****
<3> "who are because they're xenophobically racist" is a modifying phrase on the people who are against illegals.
<4> since when is wishing to document the people that come to your country considered Xenophobia? oh yeah, thats right, ITS NOT.
<5> People are agains the more fanatical far right who talk about shooting them and making them prisoners for a year or more
<1> if they cant fulfill their duty
<0> CometBaby: I'm more concerned about population levels than its racial composition
<1> why do they have their jobs
<3> In otherwords, the people who are against illegals specifically for that reason probably are racist against more than Mexicans.
<6> they are a million good reasons to be against illegal immigration .. and being a racist is probably not even high on that list.
<3> That was the point of my statement.
<1> protecting the border is certainly one of the most important jobs they possess
<5> the definiton of a felony is a crime in which the minimum sentense is a year in jail
<0> CometBaby: Traffic jamz sux
<3> CometBaby, I could note that you just implied that being racist can be enumerated as a "good reason to be against illegal immigration" :P
<6> lol
<2> bmc: i'm just saying that sealing the border is not going to help us economically...at all
<5> PO, Its important to distinquish between the extremists and normal people who want our laws obeyed
<0> P_O: Stop wording our twists!
<3> FreeMrkts, oh I do.
<5> IM railing against the extremists
<4> utter horse ****, the economy can adapt.
<1> Seamus ok, but as ive stated before economic impact is not and should not be the only consideration
<5> The economy will not adapt
<5> nope
<2> what other concerns are there?
<8> hmm. debate on some LiveJournal...
<3> jhicks, I swear to officer I'm not drunk, God.
<2> there's racism?
<5> It will be too strong a hit
<0> P_O: hehehe
<4> utter nonsense, the private market is much to felxible.
<2> i mean, what other reason do we have other than economical?
<8> do religious organizations directly give money to politicians?
<7> damnit man, the more people we have, the worse off we are! we need to fine parents who have more then one child.. like China..
<5> it would take decades and in the end we would bring them back
<4> flexible.
<1> Seamus i dunno, abiding by our laws and institutions seems pretty important
<7> heh
<2> **** keeping the border open, we're freeing a lot of people from poverty
<7> </sarcasm>
<3> FreeMrkts, although in general I wonder why people don't care about a billion other infractions of the law but they care about this one.
<2> and a morally corrupt govt
<2> that is mexico
<5> And at the worst time in our demographic history this is not the time to **** with the economy
<6> If you want to see racism .. go to places like the middle east .. or china.
<2> so maybe the law is stupid?
<1> protecting american workers, their rights, their privileges, the benefits they demand
<3> Some people say cause our government spends so much money on it, well our govt. spends more stupid amounts of money on other things...
<1> not allowing what they have gained in the past 30 yrs to be stripped away
<8> if you want to see racism, play Counter-Strike for about an hour
<1> not much but its somethin
<3> Racism is one way to explain why people care about this more than other things.
<5> This is the most dangerous economic period because of the demographcis we face which are the most extreme ever
<2> yeah. well the people who compete with mexican jobs are probably recent LEGAL immigrants themselves
<5> 2-1 retired and getting benefits to every new worker
<2> or inbred redneck hicks
<5> this is a horrible time to **** with the economy in anyway
<0> P_O: fear of a declining standard of living
<5> The markets would crash overnight..
<4> nonsense.
<4> utter pie n the sky doom n gloom 'n
<5> But again I keep acting as if they will get that far they wont
<0> P_O: fear of it becoming like Gudalajara
<3> jhicks, how will it decline the standard of living?
<0> Ever been to Mexico?
<1> by lowering expectations
<2> i actually think bush would veto this
<3> No, but my Uncle has.
<2> if it p***ed the senate
<8> talking as a construction worker that openly hires a lot of immigrants is probably not the most objective point from which to determine the impact on the Dow from a complete ban on immigration
<0> You should god
<5> My big problem is I take this too seriously
<0> er, go
<1> i think it will p*** the senate
<5> Chertoff and the Senate say this cant happen
<7> tweek: eh, I hire illegals.
<3> jhicks, most of the problems I've heard about Mexico are about the govt. not the people.
<1> if bush vetoed it, not sure what would happen
<3> ie. the corrupt-as-**** cops
<0> P_O: just go look around
<8> I'm saying that FT's ***essment that the markets would crash overnight is naturally slanted
<5> Chertoff says its impossible from a pov of logistics and cost
<5> and the Senate is dead opposed to it.
<5> Btu then I am not always sure what we are talking about here.
<1> FreeMrkts recl***ifying the crime, doesnt change anything else
<8> thought I'd trust him over some ****ing skinhead
<0> P_O: The people have been harmed for a LONG time by corruption.
<1> it still has to be enforced
<8> oh yeah, **** skinheads. **** them.
<7> frankly, if you decriminalized illegal workers, odds are their wages would go up.
<1> all it does it make it a more serious offense
<5> Are we talking about Stopping illegal alien or stopping it and tossing every illegal in the country out ?
<4> I know one thing, expecting the Fed to FIX the problem is the height of ignorance.
<1> but that does nothing if they dont enforce current laws
<7> right now, an illegal worker is a liability, and so there is a discount built into the cost model
<0> FreeMrkts: taking inventory
<7> by de-criminalizing them, you return the model to balance.
<3> said DarthBurg, the minuteman from Montanna :P
<5> Because frankly I think the compromise which I sign on to is tightening the borders to make it a 1000 times harder to get here, but I support a work program for those already here
<0> FreeMrkts: finding out which are criminals on the lam, etc
<4> P_O reality ****s, but you got to deal with it
<5> Any capitalist economic model will tell you the latter is a killer
<2> i don't like the idea of a work program
<2> any "temporary" work status won't work
<2> people will not leave once they are here
<5> if we stopped new illegals from coming in it wouldnt shake the economy
<5> if we could by a magic want send them all back, it would destroy our economy
<7> Seamus: good, we like people.
<4> nope.
<0> nah
<1> you dont just up and send them all back
<5> Any capitalist knows this if he understands the principles of capitalism
<1> thats not even possible
<1> its a slow process, weeding them out
<2> darth: the california agriculture industry would CRASH
<5> bmc, Well thats the issue with me
<2> crash and burn
<4> the US economy will take a hit sure, but our economy is not wholly dependent on illegal aliens,
<0> The free ride for cheap labor would be over
<7> Free: people DONT understand capitalism or free markets, otherwise they'd shut the hell up about illegal immigration and embrace free markets.
<5> I dont want an economic depression
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<9> http://www.tyan.com/products/html/thunderk8qw.html
<4> Seamus Cali has huge GDP, I think they can handle it
<9> unbelievable overkill
<9> lol
<2> nemes: that's actually not too impressive
<2> it's 4 mobos in the same box
<9> it is from were im standing lol
<0> FreeMrkts: We'll get one anyway and that will be when the violence happens :(
<5> liberT, Well I think half the peopel here understand the difference between tight borders and a worker program, and the other half are just 100% anti Illegal aliens.
<1> what they should do, is any illegal alien that is caught, to not just be released
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