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<0> um, bush's justice dept
<1> Its the one kind of protest I could join.. My sign would say this republian believes in a compromise solution
<2> toomey: They're not entirely disorganized. There are national organizations that provide support for illegal immigrants.
<3> bellhaven: I'm in favor of enforcing the borders ... making all the mexicans legal would help protect the borders
<4> Is Bush going to make being illegal a felony
<5> unequal application of laq
<5> law*
<1> MrRod, I think hes talking about the gazillions of americans who came out in support.
<6> OcDoc: the amnesty programs of the past have not worked, why do you think they would this time? if anything, they invite more breaking of the immigration law
<4> before his term runs out
<0> faqtose intolerant
<3> bellhaven: if they can come here legally then they don't have to crash the borders en m***e
<5> the senate is suppose to debate some bill that would make it a felony to be in the country illegally
<1> I am not sure
<3> bellhaven: it would make guarding the border much easier
<7> FreeMrkts they've tried a compromise - gave amnesty - for them to get to stay - but they keep breaking the LAW -- they are ILLEGAL -- they need to leave, and come back legally
<5> or some such
<6> OcDoc: I agree
<1> but I saw a lot of non mexicans on the tv
<2> FreeMrkts: I'm not sure how many Americans were there supporting... or if anyone was checking on that.
<6> OcDoc: so lets make that happen
<8> The amnesty programs of the past haven't been accompanied by real immigration law reform.
<3> bellhaven: then you have to change the law
<8> And if this one isn't, it won't work either.
<6> OcDoc: the problem is Mexico is a failed economy, reliant on the money being sent back there from here
<3> Pickle: exactly
<7> FreeMrkts -- you look hard enough you'll find some of those same people showing up on tv from other protests --
<1> And Fox interviewed them and reported that not one person there didnt favor doing something to slow down immigration or to strengthen the border
<5> bush said he opposes amnesty
<3> bellhaven: I agree, but I can't make their country successful, all I can do is hope to make MINE more
<5> and congress and the people i dont think would support it, so some other solution will be reached
<1> Well this is the first one when real border security has been beefed up pickle
<0> if we booted all the illegals simultaneously (if possible), our economy would experience uneven braking!
<7> Pickle - well there is a big crackdown going on will be debated in congress - this next month -- they plan to get tough on it
<1> this will be the first one with a comprehensive enforcement
<1> and a penalty
<6> OcDoc: and the REAL problem is that they are not required to learn english.. and Im gonna give Mr FreeMrkts here a little advice.. when these non english speaking people who make 10 bucks an hour their whole lives retire, they will depend on the government for their care
<4> FreeMrkts: do you support bush's policies
<1> But thats the final bill
<1> toomey absoltuely
<6> OcDoc: you cannot get ahead in this country not speaking english
<8> bellhaven: Yes, that's Mexico's problem. America's problem is unrealistic immigration laws that waste resources trying to keep harmless people out of the country.
<7> bmc - thats because the amnesty has been tried not just once, but at least twice - and it failed
<3> Kaliuna: they will fail and cause a lot of problems in the process ... but it will look good on the news
<4> even though he might make being an illegal in the u.s a felony?
<6> Kaliuna: right, tell FreeMrkts that
<6> Kaliuna: and OcDoc
<0> i like the idea of requiring full payment of back taxes and becoming english proficient before allowing them to become legal
<1> The bill being proposed now which is going to die in the senate in committee, Is a bill which is draconian the type of bill americans have always opposed in the end
<3> Kaliuna: amnesty is not the solution ... removing quotas IS
<2> Ok, people. I'm off to do something useful for a change.
<5> its already a requirement of naturalization
<6> did you hear me FreeMrkts, you are putting a burden on your children and thier children which they will not be able to escape
<1> where they make it a semi police state
<7> Doc -- what is it people don't comprehend about being ILLEGAL --
<4> but then you have to make every immigrant learn english
<5> proficiency in reading/writing in english
<9> Rod, you'll regret it in the morning.
<3> MrrRod: bye
<7> Doc -- round up all illegals -- period
<6> Kaliuna: im asking FreeMrkts the same thing!
<0> like it or not, the illegals already in the United States are important cogs in the machine
<5> and understanding of our constitution
<8> FreeMrkts: It is impossible to "beef up" border security enough to keep out migrant workers. It would require vast amounts of resources. A better idea is to reform the immigration laws so that non-criminals and terrorists are kept out, while people who just want a job are allowed in.
<6> Kaliuna: and OcDoc!
<6> Kaliuna: and i'm a lib!
<3> Kaliuna: it's a stupid law
<5> how can you say you will adhere to laws you cannot read
<1> Reagan considered breifly a national ID card.. Then they decided against it because of the invasion of liberty was unprecedented
<7> bellhaven -- .... ya
<3> Kaliuna: it's counterproductive to the best interests of US citizens and impossible to enforce
<7> Doc -- its a LAW for a reason.
<2> FreeMrkts: We already have a national ID.
<9> Pickle, good thinkin.
<8> Er, remove that "non-"
<1> Since this country started out as a nation of states
<0> Pickle, the could construct fast p*** gates thru the fence!
<3> Kaliuna: yeah, someone in power made a deal with someone
<0> they
<1> MrRod, Social Security card is not national ID
<6> again guys, they dont learn english, and as such are doomed to hourly, low skilled positions.. they will inevitably become a burden on social services when they retire or cannot work for some reason
<6> you guys dont get it
<1> Well it is for tax purposes its not legal identifying id though
<3> Kaliuna: lots of people have bright ideas for laws that they can campaign on because they sound good
<6> FreeMrkts, all this cheap labor you love is gonna come back to bit you in the ***
<7> Doc -- no its not counterproductive -- they come here ILLEGALLY and demand we change OUR USA to fit their desires - their language, and they want it all for FREE
<5> even if its a stupid law it still has to be enforced
<4> I agree with bellhaven
<6> and especially your children
<5> we are subject to stupid laws everyday
<10> bellhaven: that worries me, social security cant handle the people it has, how is it going to handle millions of mexicans coming in and retiring
<6> all these illegals are going to tax the social system like you have never seen in the coming years
<3> Kaliuna: we don't have to give in to their demands, and we should let them come here to work if they want to and can find work
<0> bellhaven, it already is, in the form of ERs closing down and health insurance skyrocketing
<6> jimco: precisely
<8> bellhaven: They won't become a burden on social services if they aren't eligible for social services. So the solution is to deny guest workers things like welfare.
<6> Linus-: indeed!
<1> belllhaven, Or should i call you FreeMarkets. YOu keep accusing me for days and weeks of using cheap labor, My labor costs are extremely high, about $35 an hour for the cheapest.
<1> FreeTrade I mean
<6> Pickle: they will get them anyway, because as of now, they cannot be denied to them!
<0> now wait a second, ss only pays you relative amt based on years of contributions
<3> Pickle: exactly
<1> Since you are talking to me exactly as he does in messages
<6> what?
<7> Doc -- but we have and continue to give in to their demands -- demands for their kids to be taught only in native language, demands for free health care and free social services -- seen too much of it -- and its sickening
<3> Bellhaven: yeah, talk about your stupid laws
<11> and you make laws, forbidding welfare to illegals and the 9th circuit over turns it
<11> heh
<1> I think he is FreeTrade
<6> FreeMrkts: you just said you knew your subcontractors used illegals
<0> not everyone gets SS
<8> bellhaven: "As of now" things aren't the way they would or should be with an effective guest worker program.
<6> who is freetrade?
<7> Janet -- yup
<3> Kaliuna: I haven't given in to a single demand ... you must mean some other "we"
<1> Bell, Read back
<1> I never said that once
<0> you have to have a history of paying into it
<6> let me read back
<1> I said I dont know what they do because I have no legal right to know
<7> Doc -- you know its being done all over the place -- I know it is - I've seen it far too often
<4> I thought thats what you said also FreeMrkts, sorry
<3> Kaliuna: that's why I say that someone must have bribed someone to get them to p*** this stupid combination of laws
<1> Their business is cofidential.. THey are required to check ID on their employees
<12> OFFICALLY OUT OF HAND - Justice Department explains NSA can monitor any American's overseas calls because they just can - http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/E/EAVESDROPPING?SITE=FLTAM&SECTION=HOME
<11> FreeMrkts, you do have the right to know.. I use contractors for delivery, I have a photo cops of there SS cards and DL
<4> you made it sound like you dont directly hire illegals, but that your subcontractors might
<0> memphis the no. 1 seed in the west has scored 39 pts for an entire game
<1> typos like crazy here
<0> good lord
<11> from the company I contract them from
<3> okay ... NOW I think supper is ready
<7> DOc -- ya the PC - ACLU types -- you know no discrimination people -- must publish voter stuff in several languages, must have signs in several languages - its all around you
<3> sunset with a lemon drop and wife on the deck ... bye bye!
<1> toomey, I can honestly say, 1 out of probaly 3 workers in california is probably mexican, i dont know if hes legal or not, i dont know if the white guy is an illegal irish immigrant
<7> DOC - go eat! I'll be here
<1> we have half a million illegal Irish in the USA
<4> I say get rid of them also
<4> if they are breaking the law
<6> ok, i apologize, i thought you were saying 'i dont use them, but i hire subcontractors, and i'm not responsible for what they do'
<6> thats what i gathered
<7> FreeMrkts good go after all illegals
<13> Hi
<14> "OK, well take the ni66ers and the chinks. But we dont want the Irish!"
<13> im Iranian
<4> BIGOT
<6> lol surlly
<13> and i would like to discuss about possible US war on Iran
<6> blazing saddles
<9> Ashlee, congratulations.
<14> I just saw that the other night
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