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Comments:
<0> Free: we could make committing a crime while illegally present in the country a death penalty crime
<1> Its a capital offence for a foreign national to murder a US citizen ?
<0> MrRod: perhaps we should
<2> Let's send all the criminals to... Europe!
<2> OcDoc: Never happen.
<0> MrRod: Europe wouldn't like that
<2> OcDoc: Ok. France.
<0> MrRod: no, lots of things never happen that perhaps should
<1> OcDoc, Well I would go as tough as the most anti immigrant person there is on criminal immigrants.
<1> But working ones ?
<1> There is nothing to gain and a lot to lose by sending them back in balance.
<0> Free: I don't know what to do about that ... I think there would be less petty crime among immigrants if they were legal
<1> And I take it futher, Guys in gangs ? Or with Gang Tattoos especially the most dangerous ones ?
<1> INstant cause for deportation
<0> there's plenty of crime among our own citizens
<2> OcDoc: That's almost certainly true. Illegal immigrants tend to avoid reporting crimes.
<0> MrRod: I think so
<1> OcDoc, yes and they would have to pay car insurance
<3> MrRod, especially their own
<0> panini: heh
<2> panini: That's true of any criminal, except in rare cases.
<1> they do it now for awhile, they pay 3 months super high premium what you and I pay for 6 months coverage and then they dont pay
<4> I fail to see how Europe's involved with Canadese seal hunting, by the way.
<1> so the policy goes bad until the next time they get pulled over or register a vehicle
<1> IM glad you are here OcDoc, You have a lot of common sense about this issue.
<0> well, hospitals tend to object to reporting illegals who show up at ER's for medical care
<1> I mean you recognize the problems and the advantages
<2> Dominus: Canada is a part of the British commonwealth and Britian is close to Europe. Thus, it's a European problem. See?
<0> Free: thanks
<0> I'm flattered
<4> Whatever, heh.
<1> OcDoc, thats why 174 was found unconstitutional, it compelled hospitals and teachers and all kinds of individuals to be police
<0> it's based on the idea that the vast majority of people in the world, although not pure angels, are pretty good joes if you let them be
<2> Dominus: If you look at any problem around the world you'll find that Europe is behind it.
<1> It was like russia during teh stalinist period after the war when people dissapeared at night
<4> Anything to discredit Europe, I guess.
<0> Free: yet employers are expected to be police concerning employees, and also unpaid tax collectors .. go figure
<1> or god forbid kids send their own parents to their death for speaking against communism and the kid hears it and goes to school..
<1> Teacher finds out and midnight the door is busted dad is gone never to be seen again
<2> Dominus: The war in Iraq? Europe. See, at the root of the current war is European middle-eastern policy after WWI.
<1> OcDoc, its already a fine of $2000 for us to hire illegals
<1> People dont know that
<0> brb
<1> They want to put business owners in prison
<1> It sickens me what fellow americans want to do
<1> It turns me against my own party
<2> FreeMrkts: Ever hear of someone being fined?
<1> Do I want social freedom and liberty ? Or economic freedom and liberty ?
<4> I fail to see the link... Iraq plans wmd attacks on the US because Europe pissed them off? :)
<1> An dthe issue here for republicans is social not economics
<1> the people out there who are calling for the removal of these people are like shawn hannity who never has owned a business
<1> and Bill Oreilly an ex government employee
<2> Dominus: Are you familiar with what happened to the Ottoman Empire after the war?
<4> Not really.
<1> MrRod, No I havent only the occasional raid.
<1> Rod they dont have the people to arrest everyone
<5> FreeMrkts, , when was O'Rielly a government employee?
<1> and no employer is required to be an expert in document fraud
<2> FreeMrkts: I haven't even heard of raids.
<1> Percent20, other than show biz his only other occupation was a teacher, a government employee
<1> MrRod, I have
<2> FreeMrkts: How about the guys hanging out in front of Home Depot every day? Think they are legal?
<5> ah gotcha
<1> They are in the news occasionally they ten to raid places where they congregate
<1> They catch a bunch haul them back and the next week they are still there.
<1> I have seen this though and this is a sign of the system working.
<1> I have seen illegals go back to mexico because of no jobs here
<2> FreeMrkts: It's not like it's hard to find illegal immigrants. Mostly the laws aren't enforced. That's understandable. Everyone in Palo Alto and Los Altos would have to mow their own lawns for a change.
<1> so when there are no jobs some are discouraged and go back
<1> Rod, oh its not hard to find them.
<1> And frankly they work a lot harder than americans when I had to supervise them for a development company who hired them
<2> FreeMrkts: I wouldn't hire one to work around my house but I suppose people do.
<1> Most of them
<1> Not all
<1> But as a generality we had a lot less problems with them
<1> black guys came and fought or barely worked, white guys came and snorted crank and cheated on horus
<1> hours
<2> FreeMrkts; I've worked with people born in the US but from Mexican families. They don't tend to work anywhere near as hard as people who are actually from Mexico.
<1> Im not sterotyping race here
<1> I am just saying in my experience the mexicans will dive right into a job and they have a can do attitude
<1> I guess I am doing some stereotyping
<2> FreeMrkts: I tend to agree, at least from my experience.
<1> Put it this way dont ***ume my experiences with black and white labor is the norm
<2> FreeMrkts; Sometimes stereotypes exist for a reason.
<1> its just my experience
<1> MrRod, Yeah I mean to be honest.
<2> FreeMrkts: What portion of white guy roofers is on crystal meth?
<0> the only problem I've noticed is that the Mexicans here are looking for a million dollar injury
<1> I gave some a ride home from the huge development we had to p*** through a black part of west oakland and tragically there were black guys sitting on the porch chatting with other, it was like there was a party and everyone was just getting off work
<0> they think if they get an ankle sprain they should get to retire
<1> after about a few weeks a illegal said to me, Why do blacks never work ?
<1> I said well they do
<6> this illegal thing is an issue
<1> I said these guys down here dont, but a lot of blacks do
<1> So there is a split stereotype
<6> they are flaunting immigration laws
<7> why are you talking to illegals?
<0> bellhaven: yes ... we've been discussing it for an hour
<1> there is a large number of blacks in inner cities who wont work
<7> why do you think that is
<0> toomey: who doesn't talk to illegals?
<1> And where I live a lot of blacks live around who work and make a lot of money
<7> I don't
<0> toomey: do you know any?
<1> so Im not steretyping all blacks but a segment of the population doesnt want to work or wont
<7> nope
<0> toomey: that's probably why you don't talk to any
<7> I wont ***ociate with illegals
<0> toomey: your choice
<6> FreeMrkts
<7> I would feel ill just talking to them
<2> toomey: Who does your lawn?
<6> did you support the impeachment of william jefferson clinton?
<2> toomey: Why would you feel ill talking to them?
<0> toomey: you can be an *** if you want ot
<7> I cut my own lawn
<1> I was born in a farm town, well its a city really which supports farmers from all aroud
<0> toomey: so do I
<1> First time I worked with illegals was when I was 8 years old
<1> In the cherry orchard
<6> FreeMrkts, did you support clinton's impeachment?
<1> and I did every year until I was 13 an dgot a full time job.
<7> is this guy insinuating that that illegals are only good for yard work
<1> Every year the towns population tripled
<8> FT..sounds like the makings of a Country tune
<1> For 6 weeks during harvest
<2> toomey: No, they also do the dishes.
<0> Free: heh ... my wife picked apples and pears for spending money in high school ... she said the mexicans could pick ten to each of her one
<9> MrRod hires one to hold a lanter in his front yard
<2> toomey: And construction.
<8> OcDoc...go figger...
<8> to them its survival
<1> Every busienss man, Mayor, Chief of police and Sheriff Had a big smile on their face because every year these aliens made the local economy
<1> I mean they literally made it
<6> not literally
<6> you dont literally make an economy
<0> Cry: well, it's also what you're used to
<1> It was happy days are here again during those 6-8 weeks
<6> that word literally is overused
<8> US-Male...how do you know when Pink Flamingos have moved in next door??
<1> Bell, Shut up
<9> Mexicans aren't too tall, so it's easier. Lower to teh ground
<0> bellhaven: yes
<1> If you dont liek the words here go
<8> Answer: Plastic mexicans on the lawn
<9> Cry: dunno, how ?
<1> I will use whichever words I choose
<9> heh
<7> heh
<8> ehehe
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