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Comments:
<0> Fretless what good are they there?
<1> TomM--
<2> sintient... what are you proposing?
<2> That everyone who owns a gun also purchase a really heavy gun safe?
<0> DarthBurg yes?
<3> 1.7 million guns stolen between 1993 and 2002.
<1> Hi
<0> DarthBurg and hi to you! :)
<4> how many cars were stolen during that time?
<1> a man in canada was prosecuted fr improper storage of firearms. it only took the crooks two days to get into his gun safe
<3> Cars do kill more people.
<0> lol
<2> sintient... what are you proposing?
<4> so why arnt they banned?
<3> There is just a debate about do guns prevent crime or lead to more crime.
<4> it doesnt matter either way
<5> I bet a car was used in a lot of the same crimes guns were used in
<0> sintient imho its fifty fifty..
<4> their intended purpose is to protect. its the individuals call and the individuals responsibility to make that choice
<2> Yeah but you brought up laws for 'securing guns'
<1> guns prevent crime
<3> Well there are facts Tomm
<6> MikeyD: probably the best statement I've heard about the issue in this channel so far
<4> people use computers to do damage every day, that doesnt mean thats their intended purpose
<2> <3> Well I don't think taking guns away is a good idea, but I do not see any reason why gun securing laws are a problem.
<3> You don't have to just toss a coin, there are places with stict gun laws and places without, and I mean lupine said the problem was poor people.
<2> What exactly are you proposing there?
<3> http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2002-12-17-guns-usat_x.htm
<7> sorry, I am in and out
<4> tweek: imagine that, commone sense
<3> Read that.
<4> =)
<7> doing realestate on my home :P
<8> hmm
<3> I mean it just said that states with stricter gun securing laws has less theft and that states with high gun theft have more crime.
<7> sintient: the reason why that "study" is very poor is, it does not even attempt to do what it claims to do. It shows no causual relationship between the change in gunslaws, and the change in crime.
<2> safe storage laws don't prevent gun theft
<2> What are these 'gun securing laws' you are referring to?
<9> Guns are more likely to be stolen in states with high crime rates
<9> cl***ic
<7> sintient "prevent crime" or "lead to crime" is a CHANGE in the rate. Ergo, your stats need to reflect CHANGES in rates
<2> bud``... probably along with everything else.
<9> 'more crimes are likely to happen, in places with higher crime rates'
<9> genius
<8> does anyone in here know some of the smaller differences between adderall and stratera? (besides stimulant/non-stimulant)
<3> I am just theorizing.
<2> What are these 'gun securing laws' you are referring to?
<0> sintient I dont need to be convinced anymore about the necessity to have a hand gun in your home. The anarchy after Katrina convinced me. I still believe in some controls, like waiting periods etc..
<3> What about gun locks or safe keeping laws?
<8> anyone?
<2> gun locks don't keep them from getting stolen.
<3> They make them a little less attractive to be stolen.
<5> MissLavey Canibus head was talking about that in here the other day
<2> 'safe keeping laws' aren't anything I ever heard of.
<2> lol
<7> TomM: i disagree with waiting periods, but I agree with a check to seee if you can own one.
<5> he can tell you about that AND Whole Life Insurance
<2> Yeah a trigger lock makes that really expensive gun no longer worth stealing!!!
<2> wtf are you smoking?
<5> (Canibud)
<7> Sintient: generally, a criminal would not know if #1 guns are in the house #2 if they are in a safe or not.
<3> I didn't say not worth I just said less attractive.
<8> i'm checking out PPARX.org because in a couple years i won't be on my parents health insurance plan
<2> It doesn't make them look less attractive at all.
<0> sintient gun locks if you have children under eighteen living at home...safe keeping? Again that is a gray area.
<8> so i'm checking how much my drugs would be
<2> If a robber sees a gun... he'll take it.
<2> Regardless of whether it has some stupid lock on it.
<7> glock: right.. I mean, is the criminal going to break into a house, search for guns, then see a trigger lock on the gun. and say "oh, i wont take that" and leave it?
<3> A gun with out a lock can be used in a crime immeditatly a locked gun means they have to break it.
<0> trigger locks have nothing to do with burgulars.
<7> TomM: Absolutely. Gunlocks/safes/what ever are necessary when children have access to the firearm.
<8> pparx doesnt have adderall, so i'm seeing if i can switch to strattera soon so i will be able to carry on my rx after i'm not covered
<2> sintient... so the immediacy makes all the difference?
<10> gunlocks are for kids, not burglars
<7> TomM: when ever my nephew is over, the onlyone not locked up, is on my hip.
<3> And to go along with you guys, "If they are theiving they are probly high on meth and breaking the lock might give them time to come down."
<5> MissLavey: Well Canibud can only tell you about adderall from an illegal dosage standpoint
<2> If they can sell/use it tomorrow they won't take it?
<11> what kind of drugs are they?
<3> Yeah I mean that was a jest, I see it not hurting.
<12> LaVey: Adderral is a pretty standard RX.
<8> astrodog_
<8> i know
<7> sintient: So, if a theif can not sell a television set in under 15 minutes, he will not steal it?
<2> lol... the trigger lock gives the thieves 'cool down time'
<8> ive taken adderall for a couple years now
<2> bwahahaha
<12> LaVey: I'd suggest looking at other companies.
<7> btw: gunlocks are trivial to remove if you have simple tools
<12> Glock: Well, the trigger lock keeps them from killing YOU with it, anyway.
<8> astrodog_: what other companies are there?
<7> astro: Um, if someone breaks into my home, WHILE I am there.. I damn well want the gun in my HANDS, not locked up.
<12> LaVey: For?
<2> Lupine... indeed.
<13> how expensive could an adderal script possibly be
<0> Lupine makes sense. Point is only reason I have one is for protection of my home, I dont want to have to go to a safe to get it if they come to steal my wife...then again...:)
<11> Usually you can get drugs considerably cheaper buying them in canada
<7> astro: while I can not say the actual validity of it, I know they say that a officer is MORE likely to be shot with his OWN gun, than any other gun. Is that justification for cops to be disarmed? No.
<12> deku: Without insurance, its not cheap. I don't think it can be generic yet.
<2> Safe storage laws are essentially 'safe home invader laws'
<13> Lupine so do you walk around in the house with a unlocked gun in your hands?
<8> astrodog_: you said try another company.
<14> http://www.gunsanddope.com/
<7> deku: my hands? No. I have a proper holster :P
<3> It could be justification to use the guns with identification systems.
<13> astrodog its nothing but amphetamines
<8> so i was ***uming you had an idea of what i was tlking about
<12> LaVey: There are a few hundred health insurers.
<8> i take generic adderall
<7> sin: funny then, how all moves for "smart guns" exempt law enforcement officers.
<13> Lupine so you walk around the house wearing a holster and your gun in it?
<7> phone
<8> astrodog_: i'm not looking for health insurers
<12> Miss: Then RX coverage?
<8> i'm just looking for rx coverage
<12> Most will provide just that, too.
<8> for in a couple years
<2> Cops have the biggest regular threat of their firearms being taken from them and used against them, and not even they will use those ID guns.
<12> In my experence, however, its cheaper to just pay for the prescription, than getting the insurance.
<3> So are all gun owners in "regulated Militias?"
<8> i probably wont be able to afford another HMO plan when my coverage is dropped from my parents in a couple years
<15> sintient: sure
<3> Self regulated Militias of one?
<16> Lupine, do you walk around the house with a holstered gun and no clothes on at all? Aroused?
<13> I walk around my house naked, with my **** in my hand, cause I'm not a paranoid schitzophrenic that thinks bad guys are out to get me.
<15> just like people who do contract work are entities technically
<2> sintient... all able bodied citizens are members of the unorganized militia according to federal law and most state laws.
<3> AMerican Citizen Militia of One.
<8> it's something like 400-500 a month for the HMO coverage i have now
<2> But the militia is subordinate to the State power.
<0> Lupine you made a new friend! :)
<8> if i was to get it on my own
<3> What federal law?
<15> people who do work by contract are considered a company tax-wise
<3> Unorganized isn't regulated is it?
<12> LaVey: You could do what I do.... don't have insurance. *shrug*
<2> sintient... I'll get you the link.
<14> sintient: exactly the stance of the Guns and Dope party. Join up!
<8> right now my mom has family coverage, and i'm covered for 2 more years
<2> Please hold...
<8> the gov't pays 80%
<8> so my mom only pays a little over 100 a mont
<8> h
<7> deku: I keep several firearms at the ready, yes.
<3> Guns and Dope that sounds like a bad statistic waiting to happend.
<2> sintient... http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode10/usc_sec_10_00000311----000-.html
<14> Lup: they're RIGHT OUTSIDE
<2> 10 USC 311
<13> Lupine have you seen a psychiatrist?
<12> Lup: THEY'RE AT THE WINDOWS! SHOOT DAMNIT! SHOOT!
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