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<0> jhicks, yeah, that's going to be a whole different issue
<1> Jhicks, So they say, Straight line projections I never trust.
<2> Arab majority anyway
<0> and it's likely to get pretty ugly
<1> Things change.
<3> I know that the resolution didn't give israel all the land they've stolen now
<4> AAAman: Not so much...there is that big Hindi nation behind it to watch them over
<5> Does anyone have suggestions to deal with Pakistan
<1> And Israel is intent on not allowing it to become a non jewish state..
<4> INDIA
<1> At least now thats their policy.
<4> will deal
<2> So it's a theocracy?
<6> gj bokavitch, went to google and read 2 paragraphs out of an article?
<0> It's the peril involved with establishing a nation based on ethnicity or religion
<5> Ukraine and Ghana, which operate Soviet-supplied research reactors with enough heu for one or more nuclear weapons.
<6> read up on the other 6 wars
<6> idiot
<3> No i knew that from before
<5> Interestingly, Saddam-era Iraq would not have even made the top ten.
<6> sure you did
<6> you know all about israeli history
<1> Jhicks, Yes in fact it is a quasi theocracy, meaning its not a true theocracy but it had clear and definate theocratic elements.
<3> if i googled i would have given you a robust answer dip****
<4> so...anyone here really know how Israel was made a country
<0> FreeTrade, the steps necessary to achieve that will be very unpopular
<4> with the U.N act
<1> Israel didnt form to be a home for the arabs.
<1> Or democracy
<0> and controversial
<4> and then what happened afterwards
<0> and racist
<1> Israel formed as a Jewish State, A zionist state.
<3> I admit i don't know much about the resolution, i know that it didn't give the israelis what they have now
<2> FreeTrade: I thought we weren't in the business of spreading theocracies ;)
<1> It just so happened they didnt scare all the arabs out..so they became citizens.
<2> FreeTrade: Although I must admit we're doing it pretty well
<4> FreeTrade: After a revolution started by the Palestinians
<0> FreeTrade, a fairly impractical parameter in the modern world though
<1> IM just being blunt honest.
<3> not from google, but anyone who has read anything on the issue knows they are way over the borders they were given
<4> in which the palestinians get whooped
<6> bokavitch the proclamation of independence didnt give the US the Iraqi oilfields either..or hawai...or puertorico...or american samoa
<1> Thats all I have no emotion invested here at all.
<6> what do you say about that?
<3> I say it's the "Declaration of independence" moron
<0> If Israel restricts the activities of non-jews and restricts immigration of non-jews they will become an even stronger pariah
<1> To me Israel is no different than Canada or the UK or any other nation, Its just a nation and I dont have emotional ties to any nation other than the USA>
<6> im sorry english is not my first language
<0> Even the US will be hard pressed to defend that
<3> oh ok, sorry then
<6> now what do you say about that?
<3> i did not know that
<1> The irish in me doesnt particularly give a damn abotu Ireland.
<2> Katey-: But we will at all costs, even our own destruction.
<0> jhicks, heh. don't count on it
<3> I'm not defending what America has done it's its past
<1> At last no more than Scotland or Sweden or Poland.
<0> self preservation is hard-wired
<1> They are all the same to me.
<4> FreeTrade: You are like most rational Americans
<4> U.S, Can, U.K, Israel...sometimes Japan
<1> Its like women, turn them upside down and...
<1> Well never mind.
<0> Israel's idea of itself will have to broaden if it hopes to retain any support
<2> Katey-: When one is preserving oneself true. Problem is our government isn't working in our best interestes.
<0> It's unavoidable
<6> anyways, gone
<5> FreeTrade -- Greatest threat is that atomic weapons fall into the hands of terrorists
<2> Katey-: and haven't for a long time.
<3> Israel's gov is xenophobic in nature
<0> the US won't be able to support a nation that operates on racism. South Africa killed that.
<1> Publius, I consider myself a center right american with no allegiance to any nation other than the USA. Though I wish some day as most people do an end to wars.
<1> But we aint there yet.
<0> jhicks, politicians preserve their interests
<2> South Africa was different Katey
<3> not just toward arabs but it subdivides jews etc.
<0> jhicks, if the public gets grossed out, their reps won't play ball
<2> South Africa got tied with our own Civil Rights Movement
<0> The reps and senators have to rely on support from constituents
<2> In public consciousness
<5> United States will not be able to bully other nations into taking all the necessary steps
<1> The last PM of Israel said that he was worried about the arabs in Israel and talked about ways to buy them out or sell them out or however you want to look at it, I am talking about Barak, Not Sharon.
<4> FreeTrade: Center right American here as well. I think we will stick with the U.K, Canada, Israel and sometimes Japan. And the U.S will do what it needs regardless
<3> All i'm saying is that it's a joke for the US to support Israel, we get nothing out of it and it turns everyone in the region against us
<0> jhicks, I think it set a precedent for the public here.
<0> jhicks, the American public became disgusted
<2> Katey-: Bono won't help on this one :)
<0> hehe
<3> we should let them fight it out for themselves, we don't need to intervene on behalf of israel when it comes to iran
<5> no nuclear weapons or material means no nuclear terrorism; it's that simple
<1> Yes I appreciate our alliance with Israel. But I keep one eye on them and one on the objective.
<2> ewww
<1> Based on the history of geo politics.
<4> FreeTrade: They have been persecuted for years. They will always be fighting.
<4> but
<2> What kind of mother would name a child 'The Edge' ?
<4> They aer incredibly efficient with taking care of this problem when it escelates
<7> a frank zappa kind of mother
<2> Moon Unit!
<2> that'd be one ugly mother
<3> I sympathize with what the jews have gone through as a people but I'm fed up with people trying to use that as a p*** on every bad thing israel does
<2> mustache
<4> 6 year War = ISRAEL > MIDDLE EAST
<1> Israel works for us when its in their interest, when its not they dont. Its plain as day, they are probably one of the most well they are a vision of a state based on race, ethnicity and relgion. And to them it is what matters more than anything, Including America.
<3> It's like when people want us to give reparations to blacks because of slavery
<4> What was the name of that ship
<1> So keep one eye on the iranian we are both fighting and one eye on our ally.
<2> Bokavitch: injuns first
<2> then slaves
<3> Yeah FreeTrade has it right
<1> USS liberty ?
<2> yeah
<2> a shameful incident
<5> Keep an eye on Canada and Mexico
<1> Thats somethign we are not supposed to discuss in here.
<0> ****. I have to make dinner in a few minutes. I don't want anything that we have in the fridge.
<2> Jonathan Pollard.
<4> Yes. That is a striking example of who Israel considers number 1 no matter what
<2> etc
<3> Their nation is far more racially organized than most, it's pretty sad
<8> israel looks after israelis???????? insane
<1> We are supposed to except the official Israeli government story on that incident, not the 200 or so witnesses who survived.
<2> solaar: It'd be nice if America followed the good example.
<4> With about 13 Billion dollars Clinton accepted it for us
<3> Well just imagine if someone came out in american politics and ***ured us that "America will forever be a White Protestant Nation"
<5> Keep our eyes open is an excellent suggestion. Never place policy on auto-pilot
<1> But thats an old sore and honestly it doesnt have anything to do with what I am saying today other than. I want the whole middle east nuclear free.
<1> It would be better for the world.
<3> Throwing around phrases liek that is perfectly acceptable in israeli politics
<2> Bokavitch: they did that...
<2> Bokavitch: didn't work
<2> racism as policy is doomed
<5> FreeTrade -- You rightly believe Israel supports America in it own interests
<1> Boka, We would be chastised to no end. and our carreers destroyed.
<2> theocratic leanings as policy are doomed as well
<3> Yeah but what i'm saying is that people ACKNOWLEDGE the problem with that, and no one says anything when israel does it
<5> FreeTrade -- U.S. also support Israel in its own interests
<3> It's uber taboo to criticize anything that israel does because someone pulls the holocaust card
<4> I acknowledge the U.S will support it's own interest above all else
<5> FreeTrade -- Can you absolutely guarantee Israel protection
<3> every time
<1> America though is the only truely multi ethnic, muli racial, nation in the world. (Nation of consequence meaning size and power.
<2> Hrm. I think all policies are doomed in the long run :)
<2> Comets, asteroids, etc
<2> woop
<2> It's Rebec
<2> yay Rebec
<9> stonewall, how's my favorite rebel today
<2> yeehaw!
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