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Comments:
<0> haha
<0> I will not be responsible for a Rand debate
<1> Publius: heh
<2> I was accused of being a rand-ist before I ever knew who she was hehe
<3> Tariq: lol i know, if only they'd done it before she'd written
<4> lol
<5> "USA Today reports a surge of CEOs rushing out to re-read and form support groups around the writings of Ayn Rand, the Russian immigrant and Hollywood scriptwriter whose 1950s novels exalted wealthy corporate leaders as capitalist utopians heroically battling workers, public officials, consumers, and other lesser beings, who were portrayed as mooching on their genius."
<6> I am going to have to study Rand someday...after I complete my studies on golf of course
<7> nomin ok
<8> i don't really know how libertarians stand on the constitution, being that its a federal document
<0> nomin please don't sit in here and flood
<8> that was a flood?
<8> 4 lines?
<3> Yeah, gotta love how the Republicans bitch about "Hollywood" then endorse ayn rand
<0> Linus: HAHA Libertarians are constitution "experts" watch out mentioning the word around them
<7> Linus-, not really he should have just gave the link
<0> they think they know it better than ayone
<8> Publius, in terms of privacy rights and personal property rights
<8> i agree
<4> actually the only randists I have ever come across have been from the east coast :)
<5> Rands books affirm their belief that the avaricious pursuit of self-interest is a moral act. Apparently, Rands fiction is boosting the sagging self-esteem of todays CEOs, re***uring them that, as USA Today puts it, they are the "real-life achievers who do far more to lift the worlds standard of living, cure disease, and end starvation than Mother Teresa."
<8> grumpydog, there's been longer pastes all the time
<0> Linus: He is on the politics freenode chat and will sometimes do quote after quote after
<8> oh
<7> Linus-, I do not doubt it
<5> thats a flood
<8> then theres historical precedent
<9> Someone7- are you familiar with Nozick>
<4> nomin please do not repeat or flood the channel with a series of short posts.
<4> and speak english :)
<0> Linus you are grumpy?
<0> hahaha
<1> I've met one hardcore Randist, who immediately criticized me for not supporting the Ayn Rand Institute
<0> I am NathanMazoa/American
<8> always
<7> Publius, lol
<8> I'm the affable grump
<3> lol randists are idiots
<2> Tariq ironic to say the least
<0> Linus: that's comedy
<0> anyway
<5> ok, I wont be an activist in a chatroom.
<0> hahaha
<6> I am a Callaway man myself
<3> Anyone here read Zinn?
<0> CometBaby: They scourge the east coast
<0> I think
<4> Publius you are Nathan Brandon .. oops .. oh wait :)
<8> zinnfandel
<6> well actually Callaway/Taylormade
<1> haha
<10> Yes, I am familiar with Nozick and have one of him books: Anarchy, State, and Utopia.
<5> Its hard for me to think of Jack Welch, Kenneth Lay, Dennis Kozlowski, etc. as Mother Teresa. Instead of Ayn Rand, these guys need to review the Golden Rule.
<6> I am also Voykl man
<0> CometBaby Marcus Spencer
<0> if you are a damn snellvillian
<10> Thanks for reminding me. Does Nozick go into the Libertarian theory of the State?
<0> hhaha
<7> I get told to grow up....Easy for some people to say when you have Fifty pairs of short pants hanging in your closet.
<8> are nomin's pastes coming out gibberish to anyway else in regards to apostrophes etc?
<3> yes
<0> Linus: Yes...
<8> ok
<9> Nozick's Nightwatchman state would be an example of a libertarian theory of the state
<8> wonder why
<8> must be using unicode on firefox
<0> CometBaby: If you aren't one then...I don't know what you meant haha
<5> I talk too much ****, sorry
<4> haha
<5> I didn't know there were so many pussies in here
<0> Who are you
<0> hahaha
<0> Out with it
<7> Libertarian means it is legal to run around naked in what State?
<8> Publius and CometBaby up in a tree
<8> k-i-s-s-i-n-g
<8> :)
<7> Barry White
<10> Perhaps I am not making myself clear, RandomRul. I am not asking what the ideal Libertarian form of government would be, or any such thing. This I am already familiar with. I am looking for something akin to the Marxist theory of the State: that the state exists as tool of the dominant cl*** for the oppression of the other.
<0> I thought that whole Marxist vrs Capitalism thing was solved?
<7> Someone7, why oppress another state that goes on enough in the USA
<8> aren't theories of state their ideal?
<3> SOmeone7: I would think the closest theory of the State for libertarians would be Locke and the social contract
<2> Publius some are in denial
<9> Nozick uses a kind of social contract theory
<10> Do Libertarians accept social contract theory? That seems odd.
<8> Someone7, you ask what their view of the state is
<8> wouldnt that be their ideal?
<5> how come I haven't been kicked yet?
<2> nomin rabid monkies
<7> nomin because you are being saved for dinner.
<8> because you're not quite irritating enough?
<4> linus .. now you know the only one I kiss is the one I married :)
<8> CometBaby, i thought we had that annulled!
<1> Stop trolling, nomazda
<1> er
<1> nomin
<3> Libertarians in america seem to take adam smith's "Invisible hand" as their theory of government
<5> the admins in here are just stupid disgruntled saddam supporters
<0> I'm so confused
<11> maybe someone here can make a coherant argument as to the reasons why George Bush has not been impeached for his crimes against the nation? I'd like to hear an explanation since he doesnt have the balls to
<8> Tariq, zoom zoom zoom
<12> lol
<13> There are certain libertarian-centered beliefs that just seem self-evident, one being that free trade is conducive to the well-being of a society, provided the currency is not debased, since if a debasement mechanism exists and is routinely abused, it would guarantee a future collapse of the money's worth and undermine the free market mechanism, and that individuals cannot realistically compete in a free market against corporate persons
<0> Kara?
<12> khufu is kookoo!
<7> KHUFU_, http://www.thefourreasons.org
<10> Most of my reading in social contract theory is from John Rawls. Perhaps you could explain to me, RandomRul/Bokavitch, exactly what form of the theory they accept in terms of the origin of the state, and its purpose?
<0> patch6: That was just brilliant I could not have copied that better myself
<8> ha
<3> You know who I think had the most articulate anarchist view that i've ever seen? Ted Kaczynski
<4> KHUFU_ you have to commit a crime, like lying before a grand jury to get impeached. Americans don't impeach presidents for trying to protect them from terrorists.
<13> I copied it from my brain, thanks :s
<8> bok, scary wasn't it?
<0> patch6: DOn't take it personally if you actually wrote it...
<8> too much me time for that fella
<0> ah
<5> the admins in here are saddam supporters
<3> linus: yeah
<7> CometBaby, screw the terrorism card Rice is bad and it is USA's own fault for voting in **** a wanker.
<8> i imagine all that time flying solo in that cabin led to internal dialogues
<4> grumpy .. why is Rice bad?
<4> elaborate
<7> CometBaby, she is plain nasty and gets things wrong time and time again.
<0> She's a black woman!
<8> i knew a guy a few years ago who'd send news clips to politicians with vociferous rants
<0> wtf is so hard
<14> this guy is grumpy indeed
<8> i kept waiting for the fbi to show up
<4> oh there is a debate for you. She is bad. she gets things wrong. How specific can old grumpy get? lol\
<7> I do not care whether she is black white yeallow whatever.
<9> Libertarian theory of the state is based upon the duty to uphold inviolable individual property rights
<3> Someone7: Sorry someone, i would think the theories of Adam Smith that are derived from Locke would be the liberatarians theory of the "State", it's simply the social contract which enables the mechanism for a free market to take place and organize society according to "Invisible hand" theory
<6> Grumpy you from the UK and an Ex special forces soldier who fought in Iraq ?
<7> rond *nod*
<4> In other words grumpydog .. you are spouting rhetoric. You have no facts to back up your one-liners that you have picked up from the talking points ?
<6> You hang on freenode #politics
<7> rond yes
<5> **** you
<6> Comet Grumpy is nuts
<6> plain nuts
<4> rond .. hehe
<4> morning rond :)
<8> actually, i think it is rice who is getting the upper hand over the cheney rumsfeld hawks in the admin
<6> Morning
<8> thk god
<8> she is a mouthpiece though
<6> :)
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