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<0> i want to teach
<1> Timur, again then MOVE somewhere ELSE!
<2> if they don't pick up the garbage it sits there rotting ... so what? fire their ***es and hire someone who wants to work for what you want to pay them
<3> do you want to teach for a **** wage?
<0> ive given up owning a home to do so
<0> i drive old used subcompacts
<4> Linus: yeah, really. Let's undermine our nation by making ourselves stupider, in the name of thinking of education as some industrial commodity
<2> if no one will do the job at that wage, haul your own damned garbage ... sheesh ... what's so difficult about this concept?
<0> but that's me, i don't consider it a burden
<3> OcDoc hahaha
<3> riiight
<0> but i am also without kids to raise, and yet i cannot afford a home or a new car'
<3> the fat surburanite hauling their own garbage
<1> <+Timur> Linus: yeah, really. Let's undermine our nation by making ourselves stupider <--- you use the word STUPIDER?!?! and you Teach?!?!?
<3> thats a laugh
<1> good god!
<2> bmc: the system works because it's relatively FREE
<0> imagine teachers trying to raise families on that income
<5> The current system is pretty okay
<4> Oc: well, the 'garbage' being 'hauled', in this case, are the kid
<4> s
<5> its not perfect, but its not so bad
<5> could use a better curriculum imo
<4> Rusty: yes, stupider. More stupid.
<2> it only gets screwed up when someone thinks they're special and the government puts some muscle into it
<3> OcDoc i know, since nobody will do it for a decent wage, it should be perfectly ok for them to hire illegal aliens to do it, right?
<1> my step mom would shoot your *** for using the word "stupider"
<1> haha she is an english teacher
<4> Rusty: it's a perfectly legal grammatical construction
<2> Timur: clue ... you may be the greatest teacher in the world, but if the kids don't want to learn it ain't agonna happen
<4> stupid Audio pronunciation of "stupider" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (stpd, sty-)
<4> adj. stupider, stupidest
<0> of all govt jobs, teachers scale is really low compared to civil servants
<1> Timur, maybe these days...
<3> government jobs pay ****
<2> Timur: right now the kids don't want to learn, and paying more money to teachers isn't going to change it
<4> Oc: that's why resources must be made available to encourage quality teachers to enter and remain in the field.
<1> since the dumbing down of america started about when i was 20
<3> they dont give decent raises
<2> bull****
<2> okay ... speaking of earning a living
<4> many kids do want to learn; most do, in fact, in my experience and observation.
<1> hell they even accept ebonics now as "correct english"
<3> your average raise at a government job is probably $0.10
<4> I love how people who haven't taught suddenly are experts on how 'kids don't want to learn'
<0> paying LESS money to entice good teachers to teach in ghetto schools is the original problem i pointed out
<0> it aint happening!
<4> Rusty: it's always been a legitimate grammatical construction.
<4> Dumb; dumber. Stupid; stupider. Fat; fatter.
<4> see
<6> my kids like learning. They get bored with dull delivery and repetative activities though.
<0> Katey, ie, teaching to the test?
<1> well stupider sounds, well.. STUPID
<1> heh
<7> Linus--, that, and other things
<4> Katey: right, but that isn't in any way an indicator of their 'unwillingness' to learn. Nor is that 'unwillingness' general
<0> rote drill lessons to ensure performance on the STAR test
<7> busy work, lack of variety and stimulating ativities
<4> well, that's fine, but it's still a totally valid word.
<7> too much sitting in one place for too long
<3> schools have a set curriculum
<0> Katey, a lot of districts require teachers to teach from a script now
<3> the kids have to score at certain levels in certain subjects
<7> Timur, yes. I agree.
<0> no personal input
<3> as long as that happens, they could care less if you learn
<7> Linus--, yes, that's true.
<0> how much job satisfaction can that provide?
<3> the BOE doesnt care if you learn
<7> Really talented and motivated teachers find ways to make it interesting, but it's difficult I think
<3> they just want to meet those state standards
<0> teachers are reprimanded for straying from the script
<7> And it's also difficult to attract dedicated and talented people to the profession
<0> and despute common misconceptions, tenure is far from automatic these days
<4> they actually do, but learning is really best done on a face-to-face basis. That's why there are teachers on one hand, and administrators on the other. But many, even most admins in education have been teachers.
<4> some still are
<4> Katey: right
<0> most districts offer year to year probationary contracts
<8> wow
<0> and its taking about 7 years on avg to receive tenure
<0> so if young teacdhers deviate from the scripts, they're easily let go
<3> what about where there bus kids from lower income areas to 'intergrate' schools in more uppity areas
<0> bmc, they do that still?
<4> Linus: esp in those schools taken over by corps like Edison
<0> where?
<7> I think the trend is the opposite these days
<4> every day the plans are laid out, with no deviation allowed
<0> Timur, ugh
<8> im hearing all of these reports on people who were turned away at the fairtax rally last night
<7> return to "neighborhood schools"
<8> and i got in twice
<0> yeah
<3> Linus-- well im not sure if its still ongoing, but that school deal in OK was sorta about that it seemed
<7> Omaha?
<0> bmc, it aint happening anymore
<5> maybe usa should build more smaller schools
<8> i was in there, went back out to the car to grab the camera, then came back in
<3> theyre were dividing them into districts, that happened to be racially unique
<7> Herzen, I agree
<5> maybe a small school every 4 blocks in the city
<3> because they no longer intergrate them
<7> Herzen, I was listening to someone talking about that just the other day
<5> in the USSR the school I was in had maybe 50-80 students, and it was good
<0> people have the illusion that since a few blacks are allowed to live in the burb, that we're now integrated
<3> and people were bitching
<7> Herzen, my highschool had 135 kids
<7> it was great
<8> i think the biggest problem we have with government schools are the teachers unions
<3> Katey yea, omaha
<9> Herz: definitely.
<3> my bad
<3> nebraska
<9> Mikey: you might think that, but in fact, that's really not the case.
<8> yesh, that is what i think
<9> it might be *an* issue, but it's hardly the most important issue
<0> the unions? how about bloated admininstration, which is where the bulk of monies flows ionto a black hole?
<9> well, I'd like to know what (mis)informs that
<9> opinion.
<9> brb
<8> Linus--: there too
<3> its hilarious how people jump on the unions
<3> my god you ***es! demaning a decent wage! you commie scum!
<8> i despise unions
<5> the most ridiculous unions are the autoworker unions
<3> demanding workers rights!
<0> i really don't see how the unions are draining taxpayers financially, not at these pay scales
<3> how dare you dimish from my capitalist greed!
<5> bmc is a socialist ;)
<8> theres no such thing as greed
<0> you might not agree with their political leverage, but that really doesnt affect their incomes
<5> eh like i said, the most ridiculous unions are the autoworkers unions
<8> there is however such thing as marijuana
<0> if not for unions, the USSR might still exist
<8> hrm
<0> reagan sure embraced solidarity!
<8> i never really thought about that before
<8> thats a good point
<3> the reason workers in the US have such good working conditions, get paid such decent wages and have more power than workers in other nations is because of unions
<7> you can also thank unions for the 40hr work week
<8> i dont have any operational knowlege on russian unions
<7> safety regulations
<7> etc
<0> unions in this country grew out of the need for worker protection more than anything else
<8> but ive heard they work alot of the same methods that the russian mafia does
<5> North American autoworkers have been at the top bracket of income for manufacturing for 30 years
<0> unfortunately, they became rife with mob influence
<5> and yet they always bitch about wages and carry on
<5> the the point where it literally bankrupts their industry
<8> the 40 hour work week is for losers
<10> you can thank unions for destroying countless companies
<3> haha
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