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Comments:
<0> mikeyd, thats right, and the children of poor people should be punished for thier parents decisiopns
<1> if 2000 kids flee a bad HS, other existing schools would be overburdened with the additional students; ie, new schools would need to be built
<2> and welcome to the amoral world of libertarianism.
<3> Linus--: could be, or a school knowing that they **** *** will take necessary steps to step up their educational pratices to prevent losing students to other schools
<1> who is gonna build those new schools?
<2> Linus: right, and that happens often.
<4> it's amazing how some people seem to think "the system" operates automatically and things just happen to "people"
<5> eh
<5> I don't have too much thoughts on education question
<3> who says they need to be built?
<5> I am gonna send my kids to private school
<5> lol
<4> "society" is responsible
<2> Mikey: well, like.. schools are . . places
<1> MikeyD, how so? by recruiting better teachers to "come teach at abestos school!!!" for **** wages!
<1> leave your nice burb school!
<1> if ya haven't noticed, like 50% of new teachers leave the profession within first 5 years
<6> ok, i'm sick of activist entertainers
<3> thats for the schools to decide whats in their best interest. if the schools compete against each other for their students in that county or area, then if they dont do what they need to do that school folds
<3> Linus--: i havent seen any information on that before
<1> MikeyD, how can they compete if their capital funds are based on property tax revenues?
<6> i wished entertainers would stop trying to be god damned politicians
<4> Hemi: have you seen the cover of "Time Magazine" this week?
<1> they can't afford bright and shiny new bldgs
<6> nah
<3> why they leave im not really concerned with, the schools have pretty free reign to do what they need to do
<3> theyre just not doing it
<4> guess who's on the cover, being touted as making a come-back with a new image?
<0> seeing as the church is the foundation of the state and the church believes in origional sin, why shouldnt poor people be punished for thier ancestors being poor
<7> youre paying tax dollars, certain things should take priority, health care and education should be two of them
<6> Madonna
<0> afterall everyone knows workers are lazy
<6> am I right?
<2> wow, a profound misunderstanding of the mission, role, and dynamic of education. "It's just another product, like textiles".
<4> Hemi: nah, she's never been politically controversial
<7> lets just give the government a bunch of money, and not expect anything for it
<4> Hemi: hint - three girls
<7> greatidea
<1> lets say your an business mgmt type, and you have your choice of two job offers, one in a crappy rundown bldg in a dangerous hood or one in some new industrial park on the sdge of the burbs
<6> ohhhh noooooooo
<1> which job will you take?
<6> Dixie Chickens
<4> Hemi: yup
<4> tell me Time isn't biased!
<3> the one that will allow me to fulfill my goals
<6> i ALMOSt said Spice Girls
<6> hahahaha
<7> natalie mains is hot
<3> An education voucher, commonly called a school voucher, is a certificate by which parents are given the ability to pay for the education of their children at a school of their choice, rather than the public school to which they were ***igned.
<1> mike, I'm quite aware of the definition
<1> its the reality of putting it into practice 100%
<6> OcDoc and I love it, they complained about their political view point and how it is threatening their music careers, and then turn right back around and do the same freakin ****
<6> I hope they choke
<3> Poorly performing schools would face closing unless they improved themselves, thereby attracting more students and funding. Those schools that best used their resources to educate would theoretically draw more students. In that way, accountability would be localized and not imposed by government standards. Further, it is noted that school vouchers allow for a greater possibility of economic diversity because the poor.under that s
<3> essabkle
<4> Hemi: they will
<7> you go to the public school in your district
<6> and then blame it on the rest of us for their stupidity
<7> if you dont like the school in your district, then you take action to change the school in your district
<1> some public school districts are forever burdened with the fact that property tax revenues in their dist are paltry
<3> im fully aware that some schools will fold if they dont do what they need to do if the system in put into place
<3> and im absolutly fine with that
<7> you dont get to send your kids to a diff school and bring that school down to the same level
<3> personally, i plan to homeschool my kids so they byp*** the government school mentality all together
<4> performers should just perform ... they can have their own personal opinions just like the rest of us, but if they use their fame as a platform, their careers deserve whatever they get
<3> need coffee, brb
<4> whiners
<7> i doubt they care
<7> not like they dont make enough money
<2> theoritically, but not really.
<4> one minute it's "in your face" and then they get shot down and all of a sudden it's "it's not fair!"
<1> as long as public school capital funds are linked to property taxes, they'll never be able to compete against schools from upsacle areas
<7> the dixie chicks, radio stations refused to play their music, people protested their shows
<1> I'm dyslexic typist
<7> i bet they still sold more albums and have more money than tobey keith
<6> OcDoc, i tottaly agree
<4> no such thing as bad publicity? heh
<6> OcDoc i loved it when the lead singer was like "WAHHWAHHHWAHHHH we have had death threats"
<6> i was like well stop being a stupid bitch
<4> heh
<7> you hear their new song?
<4> well, I agree death threats are a bit much
<7> they havent changed their opinion
<1> also, given the fact that private schools pay teachers less, on avg, than public schools, you think people are gonna be breaking down the door to become teachers?
<4> no, I don't listen to their music much
<7> how about neil youngs new album?
<7> mudvayne?
<1> there will be even less monetary incentive
<7> music has always been political
<7> RATM
<6> i have never heard any of their music
<6> country music is so gay now
<4> Linus: it should be a free market ... but right now there is NO incentive to be a better teacher ... they all get paid the same for seniority
<1> tim mcgraw aint gay!
<7> tim mcgraw hah
<4> there isn't even a way to measure a good teacher ... the unions put a stop to it
<1> OcDoc, at $30k starting, theres not much incentive to even pursue the profession
<7> i wanna live where the green gr*** grows
<6> the majority of these so called "Country singers" have never even SEEN a pile of cow ****
<7> watch my corn pop up in rows....
<7> haha
<4> Linus: fine ... let them all do something else ... I could care less
<1> OcDoc, guess what? i work in a catholic school, and we are on a fixed scale too
<1> no merit increases
<4> Linus: so?
<7> the majority of these country singers, own their own farms now
<7> :P
<4> what's your point?
<6> why should teachers get paid more than 30,000$ anyway?
<7> or ranches
<1> well, its not like anyone is revolutionalizing the pay scale
<4> I haven't had a raise in over five years but the cost of everything keeps going up
<4> what's my incentive to be a doctor?
<1> oh christ
<1> you make 30k?
<7> people dont want to pay the taxes, dont want teachers to get a decent wage
<7> dont bitch when your kids are illiterate
<4> I was in construction when I was younger ... what was my incentive to work out in the hot sun and go home aching every night?
<1> bmc, exactly
<4> bmc: they're illiterate
<6> see thats the whole thing OcDoc, either you go to become a teacher to WANT to teach
<4> Hemi: exactly
<6> no one goes to become a teacher because they are in it for the ****ing money
<6> if you are in it for the ****ing money, then go become a baseball player
<4> people should do what the WANT to do at the highest pay they can get someone to pay them
<7> if theyre getting paid $25k and the next county over teachers are making $35k
<1> 426, yes you do, but after a few years many begin to realize they cannot afford to live in the community in which they teach
<7> where is that teacher going to teach?
<1> and they become disenfranchised
<6> then GO SOMEWHERE ELSE!
<4> bmc: where he can get a damned job, like everyone else
<6> stop trying to blame everything on everyone else
<4> get a clue ... teachers are NOT special
<4> or we're ALL special
<1> i know, lets hire illegals to teach!
<7> they will go to that county that pays $35k
<6> they would probably get a better education
<4> Linus: they'd do just as well as you are doing
<7> and you will get stuck with teachers who are willing to work for below average wage
<7> **** teachers
<1> ha
<4> goddamn garbage collectors thing they're special too ... everyone wants a raise
<1> yes, if you prefer the sopanish natl anthem
<1> spanish
<4> bmc: clue ... we have LOTS of **** teachers NOW
<6> and Linus we weren't talking about illegals, we were talking about people who WANT to become teachers
<7> employees set their wage, you either satisfy that wage, or you dont have employees
<1> clue, you don't attract the best and brightest to low paying jobs!
<2> Rusty: no, we're not in it purely for the money, but in this system, one needs money to live. Not to mention buy supplies which districts often don't.
<6> they WANT to teach
<1> i want to teach
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