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<0> i could have learned more
<1> whose 'fault'? It isn't necessarily anyone's fault.
<0> but i was lazy
<2> you have no constitutional protection on an equal starting line
<3> MikeyD, how do they get to this other school?
<2> your starting line is what you make it
<3> where is it?
<1> but it is in the common interest to maximize educational opportunity for the child.
<0> i hate people that attack the amercian school system
<1> *every child.
<4> seriously though, most publ;ic schools give you a crap education
<2> Linus--: dude, have you heard of the coucher program?
<2> err, voucher rather
<4> you need private or selective schools to get ahead in life
<5> why drug, do you think it's perfect?
<0> they give you what education you want to get
<1> drug: yeah, I mean, granted, there are problems with it, but the common thing is to throw the baby out with the bathwater.
<3> well, its a faulty premise of basing capital outlay for K-12 education on property taxes
<0> nothing is perfect
<2> drugrel8d: hate away sir, i despise government schools and the teachers unions
<6> Timur, the common good thing, very communist, thats lovely.
<3> MikeyD, i alrerady addressed vouchers
<0> yeh there a bunch of liberals
<1> sub: well, it depends. Some public schools are excellent
<0> but some one gots to do it
<2> and their track record merits my hate
<3> show me where private companies are aching to build in ghettoes
<1> Darth: yeah, it's very communist to want to live in a functioning healthy society.
<2> ha, here in my city
<1> oh wait, you're a misanthrope. Nevermind.
<2> private devlopers have been bying up ghetto properties and housing the renovating the areas
<3> oof
<6> Timur, the case could be the education system, currently, is not producing a "Healthy Society" and you know it.
<0> the point is, any kid can get a GOOD education if he or she WANTS to
<2> now, that pushes the people int he ghettos out, but i dont have an issue with that
<2> if i had it my way, there would be no government housing
<4> having a society where poor people can ris to the top is SOCIALIST
<3> MikeyD, trust me, full blown voucher system will result in private school being built in suburbs
<0> schools have book reading grounds
<6> yeah, heaven forbid an unpapered savage dare to disagree with the high and mighty Timur.
<3> schools
<4> and i believe i have said enough
<5> drug i disagree, not every kid is put into the environment to get a good education.
<1> Darth: except saying that the educational system is the sole source of producing a healthy society is, of course, wrong.
<0> they can go to the school LIBARY
<1> the SOLE source.
<6> Timur, thats because I am not the one forcing piss poor gov xhooling on the m***es in the guise of "Its for the common good"
<6> that would be you
<0> free books
<3> the first step is to break the link between property taxes and school capital funding
<4> timur is right a healthy society is based around not giving a child a good education and getting them into the workforce as soon as possible
<5> drug, are you trying to be cute by spelling it wrong?
<2> if education is paramount to parents for their children, then theyll drive them to other schools, pay for their transportation or whatever other arrangements that can be made based on the individuals situation
<0> yes
<4> kids at age 6 should not be in school
<5> well it's stupid
<4> they should be down a mine shaft
<0> say that to my face
<5> lol
<3> miek, ***uming they have the funds to afford the transportation
<5> umm..come to minnesota and i will?
<2> if they dont then they dont get it
<2> simple as that
<4> all these ***umtions that education leads to good quality of life
<4> im not so sure
<2> personally, if you cant afford to give your child a quality education, you dont need to be having kids
<5> education is only good if you use it
<5> or something like that
<3> cmon, to break to cycle of poverty you are proposing building private schools outside of the neighborhood?
<4> lets give kids a head start in life
<1> Darth: you're not forcing, or encouraging, or maximizing the likelihood of.. anything.
<3> making it less likely they'll benefit from them>?
<4> entering the worforce at an early ager increases your earning potential
<6> Timur, oh yes I am, its just not acceptable to YOU.
<4> why nmot have kids working at age 6
<1> see, absence of an imperfection doesn't automatically yield perfection.
<3> MikeyD, lets just retrun to slavery!
<2> no, im wanting them to choose what schools they go to
<3> return too
<1> no, it's not acceptable generally, which is why it's not being adopted.
<7> String too long Timur!
<2> how is that slavery?
<2> school choice is slavery?
<2> thats a new one
<2> can i quote you on that?
<3> you're proposals remind me of early america: only the haves can vote etc
<6> lol
<3> your
<2> im all for that
<6> yeah, and who wants to give the felons the vote
<6> or dead people
<2> i want intelligent people making decisions, even if their mindset differs from mine
<6> or illegals
<8> MOSCOW (AP) - Prosecutors are investigating a journalist for publishing an article mocking President Vladimir Putin over his call to pay Russian women to have more children, an official said Wednesday.
<3> you despise funding those on welfare but come up with ridiculous proposals to enhance their chances of bringing themselves out of it
<8> If convicted of insulting a representative of the authorities, Rakhmankov faces up to 12 months of corrective labor or a fine, Galchenko said.
<8> hahah corrective labor
<8> riiiiiight
<1> Linus: pretty much
<3> now, if we went with vouchers, would you be ok with govt incentives for private companies to build schools ion ghettoes?
<2> i want the productive people in this country calling the shots and direction, not the peoople who are no where close to productive or intelligent deciding for the rest
<6> "Some Public education is very good" typical stupidity, making a rule out of an exception
<3> like enterprise zones?
<3> only for education
<1> and it's a well established, long recognized principle that the right to a free access to education is actually a right.
<2> dude, im talking about school vouchers
<6> bull****.
<1> Darth: wait, did you go to a public or private school? :)
<2> not the privitazation of education
<9> eh
<3> catholic schools are private
<1> school vouchers are a step towards privatization.
<6> TImur thinks he is better than the rest of us, and he called me A Hater of Mankind, thats ****ing rich
<9> Timur, thats true, but what you need to look at is the percentage of attendants who go on to great things, in each system
<2> shouldnt the individual be in charge of their education? pick what school best suits them?
<3> there are excellent and horrific public schools; there are some pretty bad private and parochila schools as well
<9> Timur, do a higher percentage of private school graduates become successful when compared to public school grads?
<2> isnt that the type of behavior we want to encourage? personal responsibility
<8> "Above all things I hope the education of the common people will be attended to, convinced that on their good sense we may rely with the most security for the preservation of a due degree of liberty." --Thomas Jefferson
<4> herzen, you sound like a socialist
<6> Timur, I went to public school. In A rural area. now you can insult me some more.
<8> "There are two subjects, indeed, which I shall claim a right to further as long as I breathe: the public education, and the sub-division of counties into wards. I consider the continuance of republican government as absolutely hanging on these two hooks." --Thomas Jefferson
<9> subjazz, Why? Private schools give Public schools a ****kicking in terms of career preparation and post-secondary preparation
<4> as if anyone from a public school contributes to society beyond ****iung opf welfare
<3> mieky, how would vouchers without privitization benefit kids?
<6> Timur, also, notice how I do not insult you, but instead point out the flaws in your so called, Logic. "Education is a right" puhleeese
<3> subjazz, ok enuf!
<2> youre obviously not very well versed on the idea
<3> that's your answer?
<2> let me get you info so were on the same page
<3> how about "enlightening" me with your vast knowledge?
<8> "It is highly interesting to our country, and it is the duty of its functionaries, to provide that every citizen in it should receive an education proportioned to the condition and pursuits of his life." --Thomas Jefferson
<9> http://img300.imageshack.us/img300/3505/dsc010224pb.jpg
<2> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_choice
<3> so you're proposing vouchers to make public schools compete?
<3> because otherwise, it involves privatization
<4> 426 is right poor peope deserve poor education
<2> School choice, sometimes called public choice, describes any one of several forms of publicly-funded alternative education program that allows students to choose to attend any of various participating private and public schools, usually based on a system of vouchers, tax credits, or scholarships.
<1> Darth: well, it's not insulting. Aren't you somewhat proud of your own education?
<4> the rich should be enriched
<1> Darth: no, I don't think "I'm better", but I think I have better arguments than you, on this topic.
<3> MikeyD, but if everyone flees a failing school, you will need new construction to handle that opverflow
<10> subjazz: do you think it's a p***ive thing, becoming enriched? someone just showers you with money?
<2> subjazz: to be honest, rich people are rich because they make decisions that make them rich
<1> Herz: lol
<2> and ditto for the poor
<1> Mikey: really; it's simple as that. Fascinating. And the kids made that decision? :)
<1> so, they should be PUNISHED
<1> etc.
<4> mikeyd, thats right, and the children of poor people should be punished for thier parents decisiopns
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