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Comments:
<0> OcDoc Each House may determine the rules of its proceedings, punish its members for disorderly behavior, and, with the concurrence of two thirds, expel a member.
<1> Lupine: only as a party matter, they can't keep him from running
<2> Doc -- ayup - and charges are being filed against him --
<3> bmc: did Bush kill congress yet?
<3> lolol
<1> bmc: only if he's guilty of violating the rules
<2> no pub -- silly one
<0> OcDoc where does it say that?
<4> OcDoc: and I bet strangely.. bribery isn't against the rules ;-)
<5> publius i want you to murder bootedcat
<1> bmc: they can't just do it willy nilly
<2> Doc I would think bribery is a violation ...
<0> with concurrence of two-thirds
<1> they have to follow their own rules in censuring him
<5> occ!
<0> thats not willy-nilly
<6> Democrats yesterday released Pelosi's letter to Jefferson asking him to step down from the Ways and Means Committee "in the interest of upholding the high ethical standard of the House Democratic Caucus."
<4> Kaliuna: well, we've heard from somepeople here, that bribery/corruption is official congressional actions, so..
<1> Kaliuna: I didn't say it wasn't
<6> In rejecting her request, Jefferson noted that he has served with members "who have been indicted, tried and won their cases, and who were never asked to step aside from their committee ***ignments during those processes."
<4> AAAman: yep, so much for the "high ethical standard of the House Democratic Caucus"
<7> yo
<3> redfish: LOL
<3> WTF
<1> Kaliuna: he hasn't been convicted yet and hasn't been found in violation of Congressional rules, so all they can do is "ASK"
<7> i doubt i have an fbi file
<8> http://blogs.abcnews.com/theblotter/2006/05/federal_officia.html is this true or not?
<8> I have heard it both ways now.
<6> Lupine -- protests from some of Jefferson's colleagues in the Congressional Black Caucus, for what they regard as harsh treatment, given that Jefferson has not been indicted
<4> sin: so have i. i wouldn't put any credit to it, until it is more clear
<2> DOc -- true but ya know what -- that film of him taking a bribe -- should do it...
<8> "Federal Officials say"
<7> hehe
<7> such harsh, harsh treatment
<6> Lupine --- At least DeLay was indicted
<4> aaaman: congresional black caucus? you listen to those bigots?
<1> Kaliuna: it should
<6> Lupine --- At least DeLay was indicted
<0> even delay is saying they were in the wrong
<1> Kaliuna: but stranger things HAVE happened
<0> and should return the documents
<7> poor, poor congressmen -- subject to searches of their offices!
<2> doc -- you got that right!
<4> bmc: i agree. any document that is official house business should be returned quickly.
<9> Kali .. the video is strong evidence no doubt. But he has not been indicted. You don't want to be like the people who were in here last week, claiming rove was indicted, when he wasnt :)
<1> Kaliuna: after all, OJ was aquitted
<10> could someone ping me?
<3> sintient: HOLY CRAP
<3> I went away 5 minutes
<2> Doc true
<9> lets not get ahead of ourselves :)
<7> doesn't the FBI know that congresspeople are *better* than others? why should they be searched when theres overwhelming evidence that they broke the law
<1> ajofi: I hardly KNOW you
<0> Lupine i think the issue is whether or not they have authority to seize them :P
<2> Comet -- ya very strong evidence, plus the COLD HARD cash...
<10> could someone ping me and tell me what the lag is? I seem to be experiencing awful lag.
<8> test
<8> What happend publius?
<4> bmc: posession is 9/10th of the law ;-)
<4> cdx1172dsp
<0> it could be abused
<2> Comet -- the charges are set to be put forth in July -- dunno why they are waiting though... but ehh
<6> Lupine -- in the events of 1642, when King Charles I burst into Parliament and attempted to arrest five members of the House of Commons, triggering the English Civil War.
<7> if you have $90k in your freezer, you're guilty of SOMETHING ;)
<4> dang parrots
<9> kali I enjoy mocking him as much as anyone else .. but we cannot cross the line :)
<3> CometBaby: ;))
<9> hey pub :)
<3> no crossing the line!
<2> Comet -- not crossing any lines on this one for sure... just waiting like everyone else...
<3> ;p
<0> occ2 maybe you just like your money fresh and crisp
<7> like if i had 90k, im pretty sure id put it in some sort of financial institution
<7> not sew it up in a mattress
<0> how about a safe?
<0> :P
<7> are safes FDIC insured?
<7> so, no, i wouldnt use a stupid safe
<0> i think theyre made for money ya know
<8> I wonder what the bizness deal he was trying to influence in nigeria was?
<0> just something i hearc
<0> heard*
<7> i want the liability on someone else's hands
<5> occ's life is a beta version
<8> buisness
<8> business
<7> only an idiot would keep large amounts of cash in a personal safe
<7> or someone who was trying to hide the money
<1> sintient: something about sending you a bank account for safe keeping over the internet
<9> sintient something to do with the telecom business I believe\
<8> I keep money in my matree that is why it is so fluffy.
<11> occ2, depends on what you call 'large' amounts
<6> a federal appeals court in Philadelphia ruled that the Justice Department was not entitled to look through the telephone records of a member of Congress.
<8> Maybe he got an email from a nigerian prince.
<1> yeah, 90 thou isn't a large amount to someone like William Jefferson
<11> occ2, 100 grand isn't all that much, is it?
<8> Duke Cunningham got 2.4 million.
<7> its too much to keep in a safe
<1> I bet 90 thoug falls out of his pockets into the couch every day
<0> na
<6> Lupine -- "the problem is who watches them when they rummage to make sure they are not looking at legislative records."
<5> ooo oo cc
<1> small change to a congress critter used to spending trillions
<0> if i were a millionaire id have a couple hundred thousand in a safe
<8> Hastert got 26000 from jack abrahmoff but that doesn't mean anything in it's self.
<0> you know, for emergencies
<7> heh, this guy isnt THAT rich
<1> AAAman: that's just silly
<0> and a pistol right next to it
<0> also for emergencies
<6> OcDoc -- Not silly, a Court decree
<8> What do you need 200k for?
<0> thats you when the **** hits the fan kit i guess
<0> your
<11> sintient, gas!
<8> I mean in a safe.
<0> maybe gold would be better
<6> Lupine -- FBI agents barred the House general counsel and the sergeant at arms from the rooms it was searching.
<5> occ has a photo of his cat on his work desk
<2> bmc -- one would think a SAFE would be far better...
<7> i dont have a work desk
<0> couple bars of gold
<7> and when i did, i didnt have a single thing on it for decoration
<9> sintient the initial reports also indicate he was sending some business to his children.
<1> AAAman: the whole question of executive privilege is silly in my opinion
<6> Lupine -- This was an invasion
<8> Right I read that, that he wanted the contracts to help his family.
<0> not executive privilege, legislative privilege
<1> AAAman: congress should be able to "rummage" executive documents as long as they agree to keep non-pertinent records secret
<7> what, privilege against search warrants?
<2> Comet -- yes -- quite a bit of business - according to the "information" if it is or is not totally correct
<7> im not seeing the "privilege" here
<1> AAAman: and vice versa
<0> legislative duties
<7> people are couching this as some sort of checks-and-balances thing
<9> kali and illegal if it occurred
<7> do we complain if a congressman gets a speeding ticket?
<2> AAA -- it was NOT an invasion - they had a warrant signed by a judge
<1> occ: it is, sort of
<9> it was not just "helping his family" .. lol
<2> Comet -- exactly --
<0> occ2 if theyre on their way to a session, yes?
<8> He was bribing a nigerian right?
<8> So is that against US law?
<5> party on
<1> Kaliuna: the judge might have been wrong
<8> I mean he took money to give to someone else.
<7> that doesn't give them the right to break the law, bmc
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