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<0> AAAman .. lol. No he hasn't been idicted but his own party has asked for his resignation :)
<1> But what is the rule, are you guys infering that since congress investigates it's self than no one else can investigate them?
<2> IT was a sting operation -- generally the money's serial #'s are recorded in those cases
<3> AAAMan: can you explain these other less intrusive options?
<1> I mean is that what hastert is using?
<0> Jefferson was freezing the budget :)
<4> AAAman, yeah, he hasn't been indicted, odd I never hear you say that about Rove :-)
<2> even if he switched the money, they have him on film talking it
<5> only on things that would be privileged to the legislative branch
<6> Pelosi has asked him/told him, to step down, and possibly warned him that, 1) he got caught, and 2) that the Party will cut him loose if he continues to cause trouble
<1> Well indicted has more than one meaning.
<7> sintient: no, it's just the constitution saying they can't be arrested on civil matters during congress sessions
<5> and for any speech or debate in either House, they shall not be questioned in any other place.
<6> cause trouble for them, not for the judicial system
<1> Felony is an acception.
<1> Isn't bribery a felony?
<2> he can still be arrested, just only at certain times
<8> :>0
<1> Or is it?
<7> sintient: yes
<9> MudFlip -- I just repeat what has been said. This has to be proven in Court
<5> their official business is protected
<10> forbin will never forget this day
<6> bribery is a felony for the ignorant unwashed peasant m***es, i.e., you and me
<11> CometBaby I just love how democrats are now saying it is "official congressional business" to engage in bribery and corruption :-)
<5> and for any speech or debate in either House, they shall not be questioned in any other place <<< right there
<7> sintient: bribery is a felony and not exempt from arrest
<8> are you messing with me...eh?
<8> :>P
<4> AAAman, so much for the "Culture of Corruption!" :-)
<1> OK doc.
<4> lol
<2> Lupine: that's actually true -- LOL
<2> illegal, but true =)
<5> yea the gray haired guy
<7> Privilege From Arrest
<7> This clause is practically obsolete. It applies only to arrests in
<7> civil suits, which were still common in this country at the time the
<7> Constitution was adopted. 419 It does not apply to service of process
<7> in either civil 420 or criminal cases. 421 Nor does it apply to arrest
<5> looks like hes about 40
<7> in any criminal case. The phrase treason, felony or breach of the
<7> peace is interpreted to withdraw all criminal offenses from the operation
<7> of the privilege. 422
<12> b1gb1rd is banned for 10 minutes (Requested by TheTailor )
<1> Right ocdoc that is what I found.
<10> ocdoc is a midget
<6> it's all about how the Rats and Pubs will interpret the Constitution on questioning/investigating themselves
<7> redfish is a red fish
<5> http://www.rules.house.gov/Archives/jcoc2af.htm
<7> redfish is a gadget widget midget
<9> Members of Congress are only immune from prosecution for things they say on the floor of the House or Senate.
<6> hell, if i were in congress, i could help p*** legislation protecting me from all but the most egregious crimes, including murder and treason
<5> The speech and debate clause, art. I, sec. 6, cl. 1, protects Members from being ``questioned in any other place'' for their legislative acts.
<7> AAAman: but they're not immune from getting punched in the mouth on the floor by other Congree Critters
<13> heh
<13> bbiab
<11> bmc: is bribery and corruptoin "legislative acts"?
<2> irrelevant, not a legislative act
<2> next
<10> ocdoc is a grammar teacher
<6> bmc: ok, if he wants to stick to the rules, they can question him in his office
<7> eek
<7> anything but that
<6> and it's not his legislative acts they want to hear about, it's his criminal activities
<2> redfish pimped his moped
<11> Miguk: bmc believes criminal activities ARE official acts for the democrats ;-)
<5> The other constitutional concern, separation of powers, arises since administrative enforcement of Federal EEO and labor laws is generally vested in executive agencies. Allowing an executive agency to enforce these laws against Members of Congress might, in some situations, violate the Court's separation of powers standards by ``disrupt[ing] the proper balance between the coordinate branches by prevent[ing]. . . [Congress] from accomplishing its constitutionally as
<7> Lupine: he's innocent ... he only accepted the money as evidence that he was being bribed so he could turn it over to the FBI to prosecute the people who were trying to bribe him
<2> hahah
<5> Morrison v. Olson, 487 U.S. 654 (1988)
<2> yeah and Jimmy Swaggart was trying to "minister to" hookers =)
<7> USMale: you got it
<7> !
<0> You know .. you have a Democrat on video taking a bribe .. hiding the cash in his freezer. And what do you hear about? How the pitiful man had his office searched. Are you people nuts?
<7> I gotcher minister right here
<2> bmc: nobody is reading #2 until you acknowledge that #1 was irrelevant
<0> You know .. you have a Democrat on video taking a bribe .. hiding the cash in his freezer. And what do you hear about? How the pitiful man had his office searched. Are you people nuts?
<11> comet: we truely deserve this pathetic government we have
<9> CometBaby -- If they had him convicted on tape, why raid his office
<2> that's called "losing credibility"
<6> you get the government you pay for
<7> Miguk: no, you get the government you vote for
<0> You know .. you get so caught up in the spin .. and arguing if he should have been searched or not .. and you forget the crime.
<6> should a felon be able to hide evidence in his congressional office, to escape prosecution and arrest
<5> Judges have absolute immunity from liability for the performance of judicial function.^16
<4> CometBaby, exactly.
<0> HE IS ON VIDEO TAKING A BRIBE.
<5> Stump v. Sparkman, 435 U.S. 349 (1978).
<0> HE HID THE CASH IN HIS FREEZER
<0> He deserves to be in prison
<2> Jefferson is a damn crook, and the Republicans are fools to help him
<7> bmc: is taking a bribe a judicial function?
<0> Not in the House of Representatives
<6> the facts don't matter, only how loud the congress whores can scream and how much the media will aid and abet them
<10> usmale i am not a crook
<9> CometBaby -- He probably will go to prison
<4> US-Male, they are worried about their own ***es.
<3> CometBaby: dont let these supposed "facts" get in the way of a story about violating a Democrat's rights :)
<5> Essentially, the court focussed its inquiry on whether the employee's duties could be viewed ``as work that significantly informs or influences the shaping of our nation's laws'' or whether an employee's duties were ``peculiar to a Congress Member's work as legislator,'' and ``intimately cognate . . . to the legislative process.''^9
<0> MudFlip .. his rights have not been violated. Our's have.
<2> let the FBI do it's job.... if there is no clear Constitutional provision agasint it., step back and let the law be followed
<7> he's not convicted of a crime yet ... the question is still about the investigation
<3> CometBaby: <sarc> on that one..i agree completely
<10> usmale is cute (sic)
<9> OcDoc -- very true, but many have mentally convicted him
<7> bmc: is taking a bribe a duty that could be viewed as work that significantly informs or influences the sahping of our nation's laws?
<5> Browning v. Clerk, U.S. House of Representatives,^10 the discharge of an Official Reporter for the House of Representatives was challenged. The court held the congressional defendants to be immune under the speech or debate clause. The standard was ``whether the employee's duties were directly related to the due functioning of the legislative process.''^11
<2> bmc you don't even understand what you paste
<3> When will the dems call for a UN Investigation?
<2> use your own words to summarize.
<7> redfish: you're right, that IS sick
<11> US: he seems to do that alot
<0> lol are you guys still broadcasting our debates to other channels?
<0> thats a hoot
<5> i pasted the url
<2> bmc: in your own words, summarize how the jumk you are pasting, is relevant to any case at hand.
<2> let's have it
<4> He can't
<5> they are showing you the standard by which their activity is considered immune
<9> You cannot sue a Congressman for slander if this occurred during an offical function
<11> well, bmc believes corruption/bribery/conspiracy/etc are all official business for a democrat
<2> lol
<4> Lupine, they are!
<3> yes they are
<11> bmc: which are all about OFFICIAL business.
<7> AAAman: well, a citizen is free to form and opinion based on hearsay that the excecutive branch may not use in prosecution
<2> bribery is not an official function. LOL
<5> congressional documents are
<9> OcDoc -- such is human nature
<2> also, you can prosecture a congressman for bribery even if it's connected to their official job.,
<10> usmale is a fan of captain christopher pike
<2> *prosecute
<7> AAAman: I can decide that my neighbor is guilty as sin even though he hasn't been convicted of a crime
<1> why hasn't he been indicted there is a ton of evidence against him it looks like
<7> sintient: you are forgetting the spin factor of dragging out the cases of your political opponents
<9> Sin is a moral offense
<10> aaaman has four 'a's in his nick
<7> AAAman: so?
<1> Oh hmm, no one has even heard of him have you?
<2> redfish "pimped" his moped
<9> No one is convicted legally of sinning
<5> i would think based on the standards in those court rulings, any congressional documents related to any congressional action is protected under the speech and debate clause, and their offices immune from search under the separation of powers
<1> Murder is a sin.
<7> AAAman: guilty as sin is a simile
<2> AAAman: sure they are. Murder is a sin, and also a crime.
<7> guilty is the operative word, not sin
<2> hence people are convicted of "sins" all the time
<14> great article
<9> US-Male -- murder is a crime
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