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<0> Lupine -- Also you may not block the Govt
<1> Publius: good, cause she has no chance
<2> you should get him some extra-curricular activities
<3> riiiiiiight
<4> congress makes all laws which shall be necessary and proper to the carrying out of powers vested to all officers of all branches of government not specifically stated in the constitution
<5> The FBI searched a congressmen's office.
<2> problem i had with school is it was too easy so i never had to study
<0> Lupine -- Govt may have a search warrant, but you do not have to tell them where the location of evidence
<6> subjazz, he's been recommended for the gifted and talented program. hopefully they'll load him up with some challenging work. :)
<5> Maybe I am getting the Hastert investigation mixed up with the jefferson investigation.
<2> so when the crucnch came i didnt have any study habits
<2> you should get him some extra tuition or something
<7> subjazz: yea, that is a real problem for some kids who start off fast
<5> But pelosi and hastert said that the FBI should give back the files they took.
<2> me especially lupione
<4> theyre all saying that
<0> Lupine -- How times does the Govt find nothing
<6> yeah. he has lousy study habits already
<4> not just pelosi and hastert
<6> we're working on work ethic stuff here at home to try to remedy that
<2> probably doesnt need to study
<7> of oruse they say that. but they had no problem forcing the whitehouse to turn over documents at their whim.
<2> sounds like a good move
<4> Lupine they have oversight of the executive branch..impeachment etc,etc
<7> in my opinion, congress should have no "double dipping" of branch powers. they should have no power to subpeona people. they should have to go thru an impartial judge for that.
<0> Lupine -- You do not have to turn over documents in a criminal investigation, but you may not destroy them either
<7> you do not see people whining over "violation fo seperation of pwoer" in the DeLay case
<4> congress makes all laws which shall be necessary and proper to the carrying out of powers vested to all officers of all branches of government not specifically stated in the constitution...
<7> bmc: point to me a law that they p***ed, that they are immune to all legal investigations, and as such, to warrants
<4> i think their official business would be protected under the speech and debate clause
<7> in fact, I believe the constitution spells out only one person, who has full immunity to the criminal courts.
<7> bmc: $100,000 bribery is official business? hbhwahhahahahahahha
<0> Lupine -- DeLay is supposedly in violation of State law on unoffical business outside of the Halls of Congress which has nothing to do with separation of powers
<4> Lupine no, congressional documents are
<8> Official business is protected? Why?
<7> bmc: No, there is precedent of siezure of that. Just prior ones, they got it at the persons home.
<4> their could be documents related to investigation of executive officers
<5> Why was hastert saying to give the papers back because the search was unconstitutional?
<5> I don't get it, what part of the constitution was violated.
<4> obviously the executive would be prohibited from obtaining those documents under the separation of powers
<5> Ok I am searching for seperation of powers.
<7> Tailor: don't you love it? Congress thinks they can have anything/everything of teh executive branch, even information clearly in the domain of legal counsel..
<4> there*
<0> Lupine -- The invasion of the Halls of Congress can interfer with the business of Congress. It must be up to Congress, not the Executive to approve
<8> hahaha
<7> bmc: explain how it would be congressional business to be leading an investigation of an executive officer.
<8> 20:20] <4> their could be documents related to investigation of executive officers <---- I love it
<8> hahaha
<4> the president?
<4> who confirms appointees?
<7> AAAman: so if some senators wanted to gang rape children in the "halls of congress".. you would object to the police stopping it?
<0> Lupine -- Const provide Congress with power to investigate to make wise and proper law
<9> So nobody agrees that they should legalize PCP?
<9> I think they need to
<7> abrump: bring back PCB capacitors
<7> those were awesome
<9> PCP
<9> the drug
<9> phencyclidine
<10> Lupine: thats pretty extreme, all were talking about is keeping the government seperate
<0> Lupine -- We have a clear and present danger which allows for hot pursuit. Second, Congressional police enforce the law
<8> Lupine, how many times did we hear the far left screem " Bush is not above the law! " concerning wiretaps :-)
<11> VA manages to lose SS#, Birthdate, and other info of around 25 million vets... causing big identity theft scare.
<12> AAAman your defending this dude? caught red handed? ive seen you spend days on just 'allegations' before
<10> the powers of govt seperate
<4> nobody is defending jefferson
<7> AAAman: please explain where "hot pursuit" is in teh constitution, as a means of getting aroudn "seperation of power"
<0> bud` -- In no way am I defending this dude.
<11> VA thinking about spending about 25 million to help keep the problem under control... boosting call centers and such... (Personally I think they should just pay each vet a million bucks and say they're sorry... I wouldn't complain!)
<7> Jefferson is not above the law.
<0> Lupine -- Hot pursuit is a legal concept which allows for the police to enter private premises without a warrant
<7> AAAman: so me where that is in teh constitution.
<4> nobody said jefferson was above the law
<0> Lupine -- This is a concept which pre-dates the Const
<7> bmc: It was a lawful warrant. They are claiming he is above that.
<7> AAAman: well, warrants predate the constitution as well.
<0> Lupine -- This concept has been allowed over and over again by Courts and laws p***ed by Congress
<4> Lupine their is no authority that can override the constitutional separation of powers
<7> bmc: not according to AAAman here.
<7> you two need to get your dailykos talking points on the same page ;-)
<0> Lupine -- However, the Const describes what is interference to the legislative process
<13> So, how long before H***ert goes down?
<14> is there ever a computer game whose background is "russian/chinese people rebel to their government?"
<7> in any event, there is no issue of "seperation of powers" here, because he was not in congress, nor was he on official business.
<15> talking points are stupid
<15> cant think for yourself?
<4> the documents in his congressional office
<15> i dont care what party you support
<8> Lupine, I bet in the end the court will decide what can and can't be used against Jefferson in the bribery charge.
<7> it is a strawman arguement
<15> talking points are for sheep
<8> Lupine, specific to that.
<4> they are official congressional business
<7> bmc: interesting.. "in his congressional office".. that did not sound like "congress" to me.
<15> politics are thinking. not parroting
<7> bribery and money laundering is official congressional business?
<16> the building is not a law-free zone
<4> then why does it have the word congressional in it? :)
<0> Lupine -- That is true. But you may not use force in the Halls of Congress without Congresssional approval
<4> heh :P
<15> goes for all parties
<7> jesus christ, I know congress is corrupt.. but you are saying corruption is protected official business??
<4> no
<7> AAAman: well, it was not in the halls of congress.
<4> congressional documents should be
<7> AAAman: second, you contradict yourself.
<4> the congress should get the needed documents
<17> Lupine...apparently it is lol
<15> so what are your opinions on talking points?
<0> Lupine -- Yes, the office is considered to be
<15> kids like them
<17> They reserve the right to be corrupt....
<15> e***y to understand
<18> Dixie Chicks are back, on the cover of "Time Magazine" trying for a new image
<16> he would not surrender official documents voluntarily, which would have proven or disproven his culpability, for whatever his reasons, so the FBI got a lawful search warrant
<7> Cry: it is disgusting how people are now claiming corruption is official congressional business!
<15> seriously
<15> talking points..?
<0> Lupine -- The office is where offical business is conducted
<17> Its their right...look how much money they spent to buy the office in the first place
<4> lupine is a terrible spin artist
<15> think for yourself or discuss politics in kindergarden room
<7> AAAMan: oh, so now.. any place where official business is conducted at a particular point of time, is now "off limits". nice.
<17> Jefferson's defense: "I bought my position fair and square!"
<7> AAAman/bmc face it, your guy is busted six ways to hell.
<0> Lupine -- If you are going to convict a Congressman, you cannot raid their offical offices without permission
<16> it's like an official off-limits 'holy site', in which every place is a holy site
<7> AAAman: and they had permission.
<4> Lupine i dont have a guy
<18> there's nothing wrong with talking points ... they should be discussed
<17> AAman...if it were a GOp Rep...this debate would not be happening
<15> why should politicians have the same rights as the people and not more than the people?
<0> Lupine -- No permission from the Legislative branch whatsoever
<15> **** it
<7> Miguk: yep, I guess a congressman can rape a girl in his limo.. because he does official business in the limi.
<17> niller??
<15> i want truth in politics
<16> so a search warrant, issued by a sitting judge, is not permission?
<17> niller...LMAO!!!!!
<15> bad seeds in all parties
<0> CryArvach -- First time in history this has happened, but then Bush
<15> deal with it
<7> Miguk: right, that is "unlawful".. but bribery, corruption, conspiracy... those are all legit official business!
<4> the judicial branch and the executive branch are not part of the legislative process
<17> AAAman.......if Jefferson was GOP , this would not be an issue
<4> and so are not privy to documents pertaining to the legislative process
<7> bmc: boy, that's ignorant even for you.
<4> :P
<17> but..the longer he stays in office...the better
<17> Cunningham at least resigned
<7> Cry: i agree, it is great that he refuses to step down
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