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Comments:
<0> Lupine: http://netlab.com/holster.jpg
<1> American Idyll....
<2> true
<3> EWW that show
<1> he wanking off to the female contestant?
<4> its too cheesey
<1> or the male one
<5> bmc: what is strange is, in europe.. they are not restricted.. and in fact, many hunters are required to use them.
<3> like one of them got famous haha
<1> no...its Digital Bread and Circus
<4> alot of them have made alot of money
<5> Yaakov: is that yer skinny ***?
<4> they dont even have to win
<1> Lupine.....what with the riots they have there....
<4> just the exposure
<6> Lupine: So put a few in your luggage next time you come back from Europe.
<0> That is me.
<0> From the rear, yes.
<7> America ***DOLLS
<8> haha so Hastert is feeling the heat. No wonder he didnt want those docs to get out.
<3> shove it
<0> http://netlab.com/mb.jpg #front view
<4> not just hastert
<4> why do people keep insinuating that?
<8> Well, he was the most vocal one
<6> Yaakov: You're Armenian?
<4> what about frist?
<4> delay?
<0> MrRod: American, but not even the tiniest bit Armenian.
<5> Yaakov: you need to get something more like this: http://www.miltsparks.com/VM-2_large.htm
<8> bmc: Hastert led the charge on opposing the FBI seizure...
<4> frist spoke out first didnt he?
<6> Yaakov: Similar spelling.
<8> I dont see this as a partisan issue...clean em all out
<0> Lupine: That is a Kydex paddle holster, I rather like it.
<5> the thing is, courts have ruled that a Judges chambers, nor the whitehouse have immunity to lawfully served warrants.
<5> and the House/Senate sure fires off tons of subpeona's all teh time to members of the executive and judicial branch
<5> and since they gave this guy plenty of opportunities to turn this stuff in.. and they have very damning video evidence of a very serious breach of his job..
<4> they dont have oversight over them
<9> Federal officials say the Congressional bribery investigation now includes Speaker of the House Dennis Hastert, based on information from convicted lobbyists who are now cooperating with the government.
<4> the legislative branch has oversight of the executive branch
<5> serious corruption of a government official is most definately something that needs to be investigated
<4> what if they were conducting investigations on members of the executive branch
<10> whenever a gov get too big i will become corrupted
<10> hi :)
<5> however, if this is a real problem.. the judge who issued the Subpeona should have held Jefferson in contempt and locked him up.
<4> and the fbi decides to do a search on charges of "corruption"
<5> bmc: that has been done, and material kept in the whitehouse HAS been forced out.
<10> that s the FBI's job
<10> to stop crime and corruption
<10> I don't care what side people are on. we got bastards on both sides
<8> who oversees the legislative branch?
<5> the only "new" thing here is, Jefferson blatantly ignoring a subpeona..
<4> the executive enforces federal law
<4> nobody oversees the legislative in their legislative duties
<5> This is not an issue of "oversight" of a branch. But rather, the criminal actions outside of one person's lawful duty.
<5> bmc: eh? the courts do that all the time.
<11> Lmao, DeLay used Colbert's immitation of a conservative on his website as if he werent joking
<4> no they dont, you can challenge the constitutionality of a law
<4> doesnt change the fact they can p*** them
<10> there will always be bad seeds within a political party. I applaud people who root them out
<5> that IS judicial oversight
<4> of the laws they make, the legislative can p*** unconstitutional laws all day long, until a court is involved, its law if signed by the president
<5> frankly, this is NOTHING compared to the m***ive growth and abuse of power by congress, running mock "trials" on everything.
<12> what are some fun things to do in DC
<5> bmc: all laws "p***ed" that are repugnant to teh constitution, are null and void to begin with.
<12> anyone?
<10> the congress isnt doing anything anyway
<11> congress is the one abusing power?
<12> planning on visiting it
<10> too busy rraising money for running again
<4> Lupine only in theory
<5> niller: right, this has nothing to do with congress or any of its functions or actions
<4> not when they seize congressional documents
<4> thats over the line
<5> bmc: the clearest example is a criminal law p***ed, and someone is charged with that law. Then the law is thrown out.
<10> ..they are all abusing power. but share the power between the branches to make them keep each other in check
<5> why not? congressional special prosecuters have siezed executive documents
<5> courts have forced the siezure of executive documents as well
<4> they are suppose to
<4> they oversee executive actions within the government
<4> they have power of impeachment
<9> Separation of Powes keeps the executive police out of Congress
<10> can i ask you all a queastion?
<3> maeby
<10> what about power from corporations?
<5> AAAman: ah, but what is "congress"?
<1> that is regulated by restraints
<10> we got corps bigger than some countries
<13> AAAman, then who polices congress?
<9> Lupine -- Congress as described in the Const
<1> yes we do
<5> it does not mean that a congressman can go on a wild killing spree, and doesn't even face arrest. [ ignoring of course, Ted Kennedy ]
<1> and we have things like The Sherman Anti Trust....and the SEC
<4> they arent immune from the law
<14> What are the rules saying exec can't investigate legislation?
<3> oo ted kennedy killed the person and all
<5> AAAman: so if Congress decided to have a wild gang-rape.. you believe the police should have no authority to stop it?
<14> I didn't find it easily.
<4> their official business should be protected from being seized by the executive branch though
<9> Congress has its own police force. Out side of its offical functions regular police have jurisdiction
<3> dead keennedyss
<10> isnt contributions to running for gov going to make them crooked?
<14> If they did it in a freezer they are going to get busted.
<1> no one is immune from the SEC
<1> no one
<5> bmc: $100,000 bribery is not official business
<1> Jefferson was freezing his ***ets
<4> they didnt just take $90k in cash from his freezer
<1> keeping the bribe cool
<4> they took congressional documents
<8> Cry: nice!
<5> bmc: he was OFFERED the opportunity to turn over documents. he refused.
<14> lol
<14> He was going to buy ice with that money.
<15> Cry: LOLOL
<5> frankly, the judge should have ordred him arrested on contempt.
<1> what sort of docs?
<9> Lupine -- This is the first time in all of American history that this has been done
<1> Publius...prob fairtax legislation
<1> he was brobed to put it in cooler
<4> how would they know which documents were relevant to their case, without looking through them
<5> CA: someone linked to the .pdf of the court subpeona earlier, lemme see if I can find it
<9> Lupine -- Everyone has the right to avoid self-incrimination, sorry
<13> They had a warrant? What did it say/
<13> ?
<16> heh. I just found my son's standardized test scores in his backpack
<5> AAAman: that does NOT mean that you are exempt from all warrants.
<16> they say he's reading at a 6th grade level
<14> Where in the constitution does it talk about execn investigating the congress?
<17> Katey: what grade is he in?
<9> Lupine -- That means you do not have to turn over evidence
<16> and all of his papers that came home are all correct...yet I keep getting complaints from his teacher that he's talking too much
<16> TonikGin, first grade
<4> congress has exclusive legislative authority over DC
<5> Tailor: the judge first subpeanoed back in Sept I think, and they have them plenty of time. They also waited two days on serving the warrant, to give him a last chance
<17> awesome ;)
<18> that sounds likme my schooliong career
<4> and all buildings purchased by the legislature
<5> sintient: where does this say they are investigating the congress?
<9> Lupine -- It is up to the Govt to find evidence. You do not have to cooperate
<18> i always got the best nmarks and the worst reports for behaviour
<16> I'm starting to wonder if all of his yakking and goofing off is because he's bored
<16> he likes his teacher
<16> so I know it's not that
<18> sounds like it
<5> AAAman: and as such, he has the consequences of not cooperating.
<9> Lupine -- Also you may not block the Govt
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