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<0> I cant speak for her but she has said so, and I believe her, why would she lie ?
<1> FreeTrade: that's cool...ancestry however means jack in terms of freedom and democracy tho
<1> imo
<1> they are definitely worthy things for pride
<1> and study
<2> but she is not Jewish
<0> Publius, well to you and me perhaps ancestry doesnt mean dittle.. But to some people its half their identity
<3> hi all
<1> but they do not take paramount to freedom, peace, and democracy
<2> her ancestry is irrelevant
<1> FreeTrade: thats why we have to bring education to the palestinians
<1> and the middle east
<1> heh
<0> Publus, Its not the palestinians, its everyone in the middle east.
<0> they all identify with thier ethnicity
<0> They dont identify with individualism like we do
<4> or even nationalism in many cases
<1> FreeTrade: what about the persians?
<0> to them their ethnicity is 50-90% of who they are in thier own opinions.
<1> or, the turks
<1> or the kurds
<0> Yes persians too
<0> French
<1> they are all individualistic in their own sense
<4> Fr33Trade, I think this is a baffling thing for Americans.
<0> America is the melting pot which is why we thing differently we cant relate as much to a culture as we can to individualism
<1> DUH...that is a good thing!
<0> I am who I am.. I as in Identity.
<1> I get it, I see where they are coming from but I don't *feel* it
<1> therefore I am kind of *objective*
<1> heh
<0> And for me its not an identification with ethnicity or what people call race.
<0> Well I dont feel it either. Thats the point.
<1> religious, ethnic wars in the middle east? don't care for it. time for people to grow up and make peace
<1> they can take a little tough love
<1> we are busting are *** for them, gladly. Iraq, and Afghanistan daily
<4> It's pretty difficult to erase these cultural grudges
<0> yep
<4> they're often centuries in the making
<1> it is pretty difficult to move out
<1> but you do it
<0> yep
<4> they won't be unmade quickly
<1> if you want to live
<5> w00t
<1> let's be honest and grow up
<0> Well we hope they do it but hope is just hope
<5> .wn
<1> we say "enough, you stop this crap or we are done." <------war in iraq
<4> Fr33Trade, economic prosperity seems to hold some hope, I think
<1> is the first example
<4> Fr33Trade, that and broad education
<1> taliban. <-----example
<1> Pakistan is now allied with the US. <---example
<1> lesse
<1> Libyia gave up nukes
<4> Publius, unfortunately, what has generally functioned well at quelling these internal ethnic struggles has been strong-arm leadership in the govt
<6> Hello, Fr33Trade.
<1> Jordan has always been half and half
<7> Good Evening
<0> Hey Yaak!
<1> here we go!
<1> lol
<1> Saudi Arabia? there royal family has always been a friend
<1> their*
<1> right?
<1> a friend to America
<1> the embargo was something compelx
<1> complex*
<4> Which is frightening when you look at these instabilities and worry that people will be easily convinced to throw their support behind an undemocratic, iron fisted regime just for the sake of stability.
<2> depends what you consider a friend...
<1> Rob: someone who isn' actively(on the whole) in support of terrorism and wants peace
<0> Yes to us but not to Israel.. Though they have said they support a solution to the israel/palestinian problem they are or at least publicly they are very racist or very unaccepting of jews. To state it mildly. They hate Jews it appears. though they liked Lieberman when he visited thats how strange things can be in the middle east
<1> trades with us
<8> Lunchtime
<9> friends are just enemies that don't know you that well yet ;-)
<1> FreeTrade: yep.
<1> FreeTrade: I feel it is time they help with this
<1> heh
<8> hmm what to eat for lunch
<8> perhaps I will have
<8> macaroni
<4> corrupt leaders in that part of the world depend on the continuing conflict between Israelis and Palestinians
<4> it's a great distraction
<0> Our only realAlliance with SA before this war on terror was selling them military hardware and them guranteeing us oil based on a treaty after ww2 or at the end of ww2
<4> Ideally, some of these nations that are bordering this conflict would lend a hand in solving it, but that wouldn't serve their own interests
<5> Publius: im heading down that way now
<10> hola
<0> The Royal family came into power attempting to reform the Saudis, and they almost ended up dead, so they came back to where the people could accept them as rulers.. they publicly hardened thier islamic identity and gave up on major reform.
<11> Will America support Israel's intent to determine it's borders unilaterally?
<5> if you see a guy with tattoos, earings, leather hat, black shirt, baggy jeans and do martens ;p
<5> doc rather
<0> I have talked to them far away from Saudi Arabia and they act totally different.
<5> that would be me
<10> the Jefferson search: sure he is a crook but.... searching a Rep's office/home is indeed a precident
<1> MikeyD: will call
<5> my left forarm tends to stand out in a crowd
<5> werd up dude
<0> Pilgrim at least though they got 2 branches of government to agree..
<4> anyone else in the channel getting obnoxious /msgs from Ryan98?
<12> pilgrim: indeed, it is a dangerious precident: elected politicians can not commit crimes with impunity
<0> 2 against 1
<5> im gonna hit up pleasant hill and get me some steak buskits
<0> better than 1 against 1
<13> Free I am NTO confortable with it
<13> not
<12> Fr33: and given that they first subpeonoed the documents, and he refused a court order to turn themsover himself.. well
<13> Free a Ryan98 keeps msging me
<5> Ryan98: i would suggest asking freetrade directly as i cant speak for actions of people who put the devoice on you
<13> could you please ban huim
<4> lol
<13> him
<5> im unrelated, therefore its pointless to ask me
<0> Well the constitutions meaning is pretty obvious they didnt want cops or others preventing congressmen from voting to deny representation of their districts or states.
<11> ugh
<4> don't give that guy voice
<12> pilgrim: well, congress is demanding members of the executive branch appear before their committee's, it is no real difference.
<11> ryan is a disgusting unevolved slime
<5> if he doesnt want to answer you then he doesnt want to answer you
<0> It was not a free p*** to be a crook and safely store 20 pounds of cocaine and your congressional office.
<5> i cant make him you know
<13> I do nto think much of Jefferson but I DO see this as a slipery slope
<12> fr33: right, and in fact, I am not sure there is any right to a congressional office. their private office is not the hall and seat of the legislative branch.
<0> its pretty clear as in kennedy that the distinction is when you are on your way to vote or do official duties you can not be interfered with even by criminal allegations.
<14> "Hidden 1,000 feet beneath the surface of the Rocky Mountains lies the largest untapped oil reserve in the world more than 2 TRILLION barrels. On August 8, 2005 President Bush mandated its extraction. Three companies have been chosen to lead the way. Test drilling has already begun"
<5> ryan
<14> ???
<5> for the last time
<12> pilgrim: indeed, it is a slippery slope. Maybe other criminals in office will be held accountable to the law ;-)
<5> dont tell me about your problems with the channel
<0> But when you find a dead body in his freezer it changed the equation considerably.
<8> I don't particularily think much of Jefferson either
<1> FreeTrade: I will see peace(i will freakin go over there and slap people if need be) before....2012
<1> damnit
<1> FreeTrade: no more.
<5> the emotional tampon window is closed for the rest of the day, please try back later
<8> maybe its coz Libertarians quote him like Communists quote Marx and Lenin
<13> Lupine...I do nto trust the FBI as arbitors of the morality of representation
<0> Lupine haha, thats witty ;)
<12> pilgrim: true, but they were merely enforcing a judges order that he was given ample opportunity to comply with.
<4> MikeyD, lol. would you like to see the string of enlightening remarks he's been sending me in /msg for the last several minutes? :)
<13> cops have been known to plant int eh past. I have seen it
<15> Jefferson involved America in its first war on foreign territory, a fact that some libertarians seem to overlook.
<2> Red_Barch: the almighty tak lives there
<5> Katey: i can imagine
<13> Pickle the invasion of the Iriquouis Land?
<0> Pilgrim I agree with you if it were for light or specious reasons, but they got this guy with the smoking gun. And think properly it was agreed upon by 2 branches of hte government, the Judiciarty (Federal) and the Executive...
<15> pilgrim: No, the Barbary Wars.
<0> The AGs office investigates presidents all the time.
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