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<0> I also think they should stop the fighting and have peace, but its easier said than done.
<1> I would love to speak of their history
<0> and I dont think the past anymore should control the future.
<1> a beautiful region
<2> Fr33Trade, it's so difficult to get people to do that though
<0> israel "is" literally so therefor I support its existance.
<1> but regardless, let's chill the **** out with the killing
<1> hehe
<0> Katey it sure is its an issue which gets peoples emotions on fire.
<2> Fr33Trade, look at how long it's taken for N. Ireland
<0> Katey, Agreed.
<2> Those people were still pissed about things that went down in the 17th century
<0> yep
<1> FreeTrade: I think pulling a Gandhi
<1> would help here
<0> Its amazing how long old grudges can survive.
<1> some poor soul is goign to have to do that
<1> heh
<3> Katey: eh; im still p***ed at what went down in the 19th century. heh
<3> doesn't mean ill go kill the yankees for it tho.
<0> we saw that in yugoslavia after the brutal controls were taken away from tito by death and the Russians by defeat in the old war.
<2> I think that since the US is such a young country, it can be difficult for us to relate to the ancient grudge. :)
<3> Katey: eh.. tell that to the South.
<4> lol
<2> And also because we've done fairly well with mixing people of different heritage together
<5> God has apparantly struck backa t the turks
<4> the south shall rise again.
<5> the news of that fire put a smile on my face :)
<3> Sublimer: not likely.
<1> FreeTrade: don't get me wrong on the historic value my friend but it is my generations job to see peace
<4> as it is now starting to now...
<1> and we have 50 years of war to see what worked
<1> and what didn't
<4> Libertine: not in the same way
<6> vasili0s, struck back for what?
<5> a day after they killed a Greek AF man
<5> your allies want war, lets go for it.
<2> ethnic grudges tend to baffle us, with the obvious exception of the issues between Blacks and Whites...which has improved dramatically just within the last 50 years.
<4> Libertine: but the south is gaining more control of the country as time goes on.
<5> its the only way to put the daily violations and provocation away
<3> Sublimer: I dont care for the south personally; I just want each State to run themselves.
<1> FreeTrade: and yes, the balkans are another good example. Hell, Montenegro just declared it's independence
<1> that was awesome
<1> lol
<5> id like to see how they'll meet the "criteria" for eu membership at this rate
<2> Publius, in order for the youth to have that level of optimism they need to see the possibilities, and young people in Palestine don't see that
<3> Sublimer: nothing would make me happier then the elimination of the current federal system.
<7> all this optimism and peace talk is really getting me down :(
<5> Publius: is there such a thing as a montenegran ?
<1> Katey: then we need to reach them
<4> Libertine: states should have more control.
<2> Publius, they look around them and they live in ****ty conditions, they have little education to broaden their minds, and they're angry.
<4> Libertine: which was the south's fight.
<3> Sublimer: eh, they used to. heh
<1> I know this
<5> Publius: or a "macedonian" ? a "kosovarian" ? enough with the carving of europe
<2> Publius, I think that's easier said than done.
<1> vasisli0s: let the euros work this out
<1> lol
<1> Katey: yep, so lets see it done
<3> Sublimer: you sure? could have sworn the revionists made the war between the states about slavery..
<1> thats what i want
<3> revisionists, even
<1> I would love to myself..just gotta figure out how
<4> Libertine: states rights for slavery.
<3> Sublimer: hehe
<5> kemal ataturk on fire, yaaaaaaaaaaaaaar !
<4> :)
<5> let it burn burn burn
<2> Publius, I'd love to see it happen.
<2> Publius, If Palestine could have a strong and competent government it sure would be a good first step
<2> :)
<2> And that govt. would need support
<7> Katey: lol that is a pipe dream
<1> Katey: Hamas needs to grow up
<1> if not
<1> Abbas takes over
<2> RobVanDam, sure seems that way right now
<2> Publius, how would he do that?
<7> nah hamas needs to be eliminated
<1> he has the support of Israel
<1> for one]
<2> Publius, he's weaker than ever now
<7> they stand in the way to peace
<1> Katey: opportunity for peace
<4> katey: you forget.. you don't live in the perfect world.
<2> Publius, the Palestinians would never accept a guy who's percieved as an Israeli puppet
<7> america could always sell abbas weapons
<7> to beat hamas
<7> :)
<1> Katey: he has a lot of friends
<1> already
<3> hahaha i love being proven right; <7> nah hamas needs to be eliminated
<1> so i dunno
<2> Sublimer, er...no. I'm pointing out the problems right now. :)
<3> damn wrong cut/paste
<7> and then sell weapons to hamas to beat fatah
<7> sort of like reagan
<1> Katey: he was voted as president
<3> http://today.reuters.com/news/newsarticle.aspx?type=worldNews&storyid=2006-05-24T153602Z_01_OLI444507_RTRUKOC_0_US-IRAN-STUDENTS.xml&src=rss&rpc=22
<3> there we go
<3> iranian students protesting..
<1> WOOOHOOO
<3> see; internal politics at work :)
<2> Publius, it's too late for him now...unless the people get sick of Hamas and elect another Fatah govt.
<7> lol abbas is not a puppet of israel
<2> until then...
<1> nah
<1> look at Abbas
<1> this is triangular diplmacy
<1> its impressive to watcvh
<7> it would be nice if he was though
<4> katey: good luck.. you might be here for the rest of your life. :)
<2> Publius, he has no significant power right now
<1> we need to get some Israelis in here
<1> or jews, Timur, Rebec
<2> Publius, Hamas is running the show, and they haven't indicated much interest in peace with Israel.
<7> fatah and hamas need to go
<7> both are terrorist groups
<1> hamas is retarded
<1> they are running a sideshow set to self destruct
<7> rebec isn't Jewish
<1> I know
<8> just force a dictatorship on them
<2> Now, if Hamas fails to provide improvements for the people, they could lose their power
<1> but she is of the faith?
<1> right?
<7> Publius: and what am I? chopped liver? :(
<2> and then maybe another opportunity will arise
<1> I don't give a damn
<7> she is catholic or something
<0> never act out of ignorance, understand what drives both peoples in any conflict.
<1> someone with experience
<0> work phone sorry
<1> FreeTrade: I agree
<0> Rebec has jewish ancestry
<9> Freetrade, the problem is no one who acts out of ignorance believes they are ignorant.
<1> FreeTrade: she's also pretty travelled and educated
<0> IMperitus, very true.
<3> heh.. my son has jewish ancestry.
<1> Ignorant Americans act for the goal of peace and freedom. ;p
<7> Fr33Trade: she is not Jewish though
<7> Fr33Trade: I am sure you have Jewish ancestry as well... You are not Jewish
<0> Rebec has a decent knowlege of the middle east.Maybe even more than decent. I just dont know how much she has studied it, I know she has.
<1> FreeTrade: I think I understand American principles well enough. I do not know of their history.
<1> I think if I could "act" it might be in their nature
<1> I do not know
<1> all of*
<0> I am not aware of any jewish ancestry, but she has close relatives who are jewish like a mother or father or something. or mother of father who was half jewish
<0> I cant speak for her but she has said so, and I believe her, why would she lie ?
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