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Comments:
<0> Its the most reasonable speech I have seen for ages coming from israel because it both recognizes Israels needs and its willingness to work any day with a palestinian government which sincerely will work with it.
<1> suggesting that Iran will have "nuclear aggressions" in the future if they arent stopped right now
<1> Oh the stuff on palestinians is good
<1> I agree
<0> Imagine a netanyahu speech by comparison ? It would of been militaristic, and he is not calling fur us to attack Iran he saying the international community needs to do something about Irans belicose nature and take it seriously
<0> pardon typos, no chance for second draft
<1> Yeah, i dont know, I dont agree with him bringing up Iran like that
<2> FreeTrade: I took it something like...a dog taht lets someone beat it until it crosses a line
<2> the noble warrior who goes so far to suffer for peace
<2> but when you cross that line
<2> it's over
<2> lol
<2> thats why I support Israel
<2> alogn with their ideals.
<1> do you support Ariel Sharon's ideals
<3> which ideals?
<4> yeh, its black and white... you are either with isreal, or the muslims
<2> I'll hang a jew till his toes stop twinkling if he is an American and a traitor, but this is no different than any other person
<1> yeah which ones indeed
<5> What's Sharon's status these days? Still in a coma?
<2> Sharon?
<2> a great man
<2> yes
<2> and now I support Olmert
<0> Why ? Good god Iran threatened to wipe them off the planet.
<2> FreeTrade: Iran is sooo weird, imo. Ahmadinejad is also a very very different individual
<0> I always supported Olmert, I was the first person on channel to put it on record.
<2> I have got to be in the liek first 5!...
<2> this year
<0> The minute speculation of sharons never coming back started, I read about and agreed that Olmert should take his place because he believed in the same principles as Sharon on borders with ideally or without the palestinians, if they refused to negotiate
<2> FreeTrade: you see Olmert gave them until 2010?
<2> can you believe how generous he is? it's inspiring
<2> but he is no coward or sissy
<1> Olmert should sit back and let diplomacy try and work
<5> Palestinians seem to be swamped with internal problems now
<1> instead of bringing this stuff up abour Iran in congress
<3> I think it's great they elected hamas
<2> td: or not
<3> shows you what kind of people they are
<2> thats a terrible idea
<2> td: he has to show the Israeli people they are safe
<3> td-: lol
<0> Katey yep, there is an internal struggle.
<2> I give
<2> Palestine 2 years tops
<2> to reconize Israel
<2> well
<2> no
<0> Wow..
<6> td: i agree, since Iran has threatened the genocide of the isreali people, the Isreali leader should just ignore it.
<2> let me retract that, I am still young
<2> my sense of time is bad
<5> Well, it demonstrates how dissatisfied people were with Fatah's corruption with zero results for the people. It's not surprising that radicals came in.
<1> Lupine: did he really
<3> the terrorists are fighting each other
<2> I just firmly believe that Hamas/Abbas and Palestine will make peace with Israel
<2> before the 2010 deadline
<5> unfortunately for Hamas, it's a lot easier to be a radical than it is to run a government effectively
<2> and finally solve this ****
<0> The PA which Israel is willing to do business with is fighting the Hamas terrorists.
<2> PA?
<1> palestinian authority
<0> Palestinian Authority..
<2> doh
<2> sorry
<2> yah yah
<0> Abbous's people (SP?)
<2> I know how they are set up, kinda
<2> Abbas
<2> Mahmous Abbas
<2> d
<2> Abbas is a genius
<3> Fr33Trade: the pa is fatah
<1> Fatah vs. Hamas ! who wins
<5> since Hamas came to power, doesn't that alter Abbas' position?
<3> Fr33Trade: fatah is a terrorist organization
<5> he's Fatah, I though
<5> +t
<2> td: Fatah has Abbas
<2> Fatah wins
<2> but the question is
<2> who will win the best future for Palestine?
<2> that is alsso Abbas, imo
<0> A genius? He lost the election because he failed to act decisively enough earlier a lot of the vote was not so much for hamas it was anti PA. for dragging its feet.
<1> BUSH
<5> Fatah doesn't win unless they survive this internal conflict.
<2> FreeTrade: he won the presidency
<2> tho
<3> how quickly people forget fatah controls al aqsa martyrs brigade in addition to other terrorist groups
<2> Olmert will TALK TO ABBAS
<3> and they claim fatah is innocent
<0> Publius, Barely, but the government is controlled by Hamas, he has no real power that he has demonstrated.
<1> the al aqsa martyrs launch those rockets
<1> scumbags
<5> To be fair to Abbas, his job was nearly impossible to accomplish
<2> FreeTrade: that is the genius behind it.
<5> maybe completely impossible
<0> No I think thats Islamic Jihad..
<2> FreeTrade: the Palestinian people will see that Abbas, the peaceful and powerless man
<0> But I could be wrong.
<0> Publius, they dont see him that way..
<2> FreeTrade: now at least. they will see he can work with Isreael, not Hamas
<2> why not? the rest of the world cut them off for Hamas...who is still being stupid
<5> I think Palestinians are pretty divided about working with Israel
<0> Its way too complicted to put a byline on. They knew that when they voted for Hamas
<0> Katey right.
<5> obviously, more pragmatic types recognize that it's necessary, but none of them like it.
<2> FreeTrade: voting for Hamas = starving jobless peopel
<5> but there are lots of angry young turks
<0> My guess isa1/3 want negotiations bad, 1/3 would accept negotiations if the leaders showed courage, and 1/3 are dead set against negotiations.
<5> and, considering how ****ty life is there, I don't think these guys tend to think in terms of aiming toward a better future or a good life
<7> heh... congressmen not happy about that guys office being raided..
<0> Thats just a guess.
<7> people might actually find out about their corruption oh no!
<0> Some of it is based on knowlege most of it on intuition.
<2> FreeTrade: they want to eat, be happy, and propser...everyone does
<0> Publius, if only that was true
<2> now that they elected Hamas
<2> they MUST realize
<2> what the problem is
<0> we could promise them food and freedom and it would be over.
<0> But thats not all they want.
<2> thats different
<5> Publius, I'm not sure all that many young Palestinians believe that's possible
<2> FreeTrade: it is all about choice
<0> Some of them want their grandfathers house back.
<0> which is in Israel.
<2> it is about choice
<2> not about what we give them
<2> we can see that from teh past 50 years
<2> god damnit
<5> you have to try to imagine what a young guy over there would see in his future. No education, no prospects, pissed off, etc
<0> The division in 1949 was not pretty or organized.
<2> because peopel have been trying to give him ****
<2> let him vote for it
<4> does any one think the CIA has captured any muslims terrorists in usa , with out it being reported or released?
<0> Bad people were pushed out, good people were pushed out, bad people and good people stayed.
<5> I wish it could have been possible for Europe and the US to have give more support to Abbas' police and security forces
<3> they want to destroy israel
<3> food and medicine are secondary
<2> no
<5> He was caught between the devil and the deep blue sea
<2> Palestine MUST make PEACE ALONE
<0> Some sold out, some fought against the israels, Some were victims of the israelis. When I say sold out I mean literally for money.
<5> he had to walk a very fine line, unfortunately, that's a fine line that tends to lead nowhere
<3> which was not there great grandfathers house
<0> This is all back at the birth of the nation.
<2> the only way Palestine will have prosperity and happines
<2> is if they chose peace
<2> simply as that
<3> they just moved to israel because arab governments wanted to stop israel from coming back
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