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Comments:
<0> flex fuel yea
<1> don't diesel engines run on ethanol just fine?
<2> what automaker produces ethanol-burning models?
<0> ford
<3> GM?
<0> gm
<2> do you guys ever, um, look at cars?
<2> oh, right
<2> so i can walk into my GM dealer and buy a car that burns ethanol
<4> Lithium: No, because I don't believe in leftist superstitions about oil-related wars.
<2> there isnt a single production car that burns ethanol
<2> and there never has been
<0> A flexible fueled vehicle (FFV) has a single fuel tank, fuel system, and engine. The vehicle is designed to run on unleaded gasoline and an alcohol fuel (usually ethanol) in any mixture.
<0> http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/flextech.shtml
<0> read up occ
<3> http://www.agriculture.state.ia.us/e85vehicles.html
<1> who cares about oil-related wars, oil is a resource and almost every war was fought over either god or resources.
<2> wow, THATS A PRODUCTION VEHICLE
<1> so it's going to happen
<2> oh wait, its not
<0> dude
<0> occ
<3> All 2000-2002 GM 2.2L Chevy S-10 2WD pickups
<2> cars can run on anything -- im sure we all saw the wood-burning car
<0> are you really this dumb in real life
<3> All 2000-2002 Ford 3.0L Ranger 4x2 extended cab pickups
<0> or do you just play one on irc
<0> FFV buddy
<0> look it up
<0> theyve been in production for years
<2> bmc, are you saying '00-'02 ford 3.0L engines could run on ethanol?
<5> fordnut no but he did stay at a holliday inn express
<0> lol
<0> A flexible fueled vehicle (FFV) has a single fuel tank, fuel system, and engine. The vehicle is designed to run on unleaded gasoline and an alcohol fuel (usually ethanol) in any mixture.
<5> haha
<0> what does that mean to you occ
<2> shall i pour ethanol into my fuel tank?
<3> occ2 all flex-fuel vehicles can run on mixture or pure ethanol
<0> if its a FFV, sure
<0> occ had an exrta helping of dumb for dinner tonight
<3> there is a sensor in the gas tank
<2> NO WAY!
<3> that detects the fuel
<3> and makes adjustments
<2> yah, i know there is
<4> FFVs can run on E85, not pure ethanol.
<2> so clean out your gas tank
<2> fill it with pure ethanol
<2> tell me how far you get
<4> Whereas non-FFVs generally can't take more than E15.
<6> why couldn't I have had a childhood crush on a girl named violet janine bequewith......not some girl that I can't find 20 years later because of her common name
<2> im sure the sensor will make it work ;)
<7> I once met an asian in a caucasian
<1> here is an idea... who cares.
<2> more importantly, kalomine, why are you pining after some girl from 20 years ago? ;)
<5> kalomine ya why do parents name their kids after a car or city like lexis or paris. why not name the kid carolla or bagladesh
<3> GM has almost 2 million FlexFuel Vehicles on the road today in all 50 states
<3> GM alone!
<8> E85 is an alcohol fuel mixture of 85% ethanol and 15% gasoline, by volume.
<1> get a job, fork up the market-value for the gas, and move on. when the market trends dictate change in energy, it'll happen until then the government wont be successful in making the market change.
<2> yup, and they all run pure ethanol
<3> Starting in 2006, GM will produce more than 400,000 flexible fuel vehicles annually -- vehicles that can also operate on gasoline or E85 ethanol without any modifications or special switches.
<0> 85% ethanol
<0> wow
<0> gee occ
<9> In the middle of the garden were the tree of life and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil
<0> how many cars bmc?
<9> two trees, eat not from one
<0> millions?
<0> on the road right now?
<3> yea
<3> just GM
<0> how many on the road running on hydrogen
<0> praytell
<3> 0
<0> ah
<0> thanks:)
<2> i concede
<3> i think theres a few prototypes
<3> so maybe 3?
<3> tops
<8> there are a lot here running on natural gas
<6> stingray: why not? if it rolls off the tongue...it's good for a name =) Motorala TidyCat Smith
<2> there are nat gas filling stations in NYC
<5> kalo hehehehe
<2> lots of nat gas taxis
<0> ive seen a lot of pickup trucks converted to run on propane
<8> so like, how much different would pure ethanol be from E85
<3> not much
<8> by how much does the extra oil cut down on heat
<2> LOOK I ALREADY CONCEDED
<8> im not arguing
<5> kalo hey gore hillary 08 Goreillary
<2> "it seems to me that the polite thing to do..."
<8> im curious
<0> occ is a good sport
<3> about the same diff between E10 and pure gasoline
<2> ;)
<0> actually quite rare
<9> My name will be great among the nations, from the rising to the setting of the sun. In every place incense and pure offerings will be brought to my name, because my name is IRC
<0> props to occ
<8> occ2: i honestly want to know what the potential future fuels are
<2> realistically, fuel cells are the most likely candidate
<2> nah, i laid in myself
<3> you hear this stuff about william jefferson?
<8> ethanol does seem promissing though, i wonder why Pickle is bashing the subsidies
<0> if there is one thing america can do well, its grow m***ive amounts of crops
<0> especially corn
<2> yah, i heard he got caught, bmc
<3> the congress is upset, they think there was a breach of the constitutional separation of powers
<0> well
<0> i want to know if they think they are above the law
<0> they got this guy on tape taking a 100,000 bribe
<3> no, but there is a process
<10> Ok bmc
<0> and then found it in his freezer
<4> Lithium: I'm for them. I'm just amused that people from heavily urban states are, as well, since they're the ones paying for them, not me.
<2> he hid 90k in his freezer
<3> the executive should not be searching congressional offices
<2> yup
<0> before they searched his office on capitol hill
<0> if that wasnt probable cause, i dont know what is
<2> the FBI shouldnt be cowed by government position
<3> dont you see the possibilities with that?
<8> Pickle: if it helps us pay less for gas down the road, seems like a winning proposition
<2> they have the perfect right to search congressional offices
<3> the executive searching congressional offices?
<2> given proper cause
<3> first time in history!
<2> yup
<3> very first time in our history
<0> bmc, they have him on tape taking the money, and then found the money in his freezer
<3> NEVER happened before
<2> and i applaud it
<0> that is probable cause
<8> Pickle: and i dont see how its 'buying into green bull****'
<3> there is a separation of powers
<2> **** these shady congressmen who waste our money
<0> bmc, being a congressman doesnt put you above the law
<3> they arent above the law
<3> but the executive shouldnt be searching congressional offices
<0> so under what grounds do you think a search would be warranted
<2> i dont see how the FBI raid was a breach of "checks and balances"
<0> who shoudl then?
<2> who *should* search congressional offices?
<2> have the senate search the house?
<4> Lithium: Because you believe it's going to lower the price of gasoline "down the road", rather than subsidizing a product that would have eventually have become economically viable anyway.
<3> nobody?
<3> its official government business
<0> no can do skippy
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