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<0> I mean I can understand how some government sponsored scientists would hate to have to admit to the worlds media that they were wrong and some "enviro wacko" was right all along lol
<0> it would hurt!
<0> hehe
<1> well...i hear that even if all fossil fuel use were to be stopped immediately, the process of warming would continue anyway...
<1> so why admit any fault? ;}
<0> we have dont to much damage already
<2> Nemes, Noone is saying climate change is wrong, Climate is always changing but they are saying in 100 years it could go into a cooling cycle for the next 100 years, they are saying there are litterally 1000s and 1000s of free (The word this scientist used was good) Free variables essentially which cause weather, and there is no way to measure all these variables or even a significant number and there is so much unpredictability
<0> if we stopped now it is still going to tke centuries for mother earth to get herself back in shape
<0> so dmg has been done
<0> for now anyways
<3> High priced energy will limit consumption
<1> chemical pollution of the seas is probably one of our biggest problems
<4> It will also spur development of alternatives
<2> Well if you listen to the intelligent scientists many of them who are the ones who brought to the worlds attention a warming phase in climate, they will leave you in a state of well We know we have been warming for awhile but we still have no absolute cause for it nor do we know how long it will continue or where it will change 20 years from now.
<5> Fr33Trade that is a good point, however, if humans are even affecting the fragile environment a slight bit, wouldnt it be wise to monitor and limit the impact we have?
<4> I don't think there's any quick solution to high fuel prices. Probably the best way to deal with it is to allow the market to drive the situation.
<6> it's all uncertain
<6> uncertainty warrants caution however
<1> Fuel consumption needs to be more responsible.
<2> They have to literally (to try to get close) record and measure and analyze the weather patterns within every square mile of the earth as a sample.
<1> and that starts with America.
<2> and thats virtually impossible
<4> Hasn't the National Academy of Sciences concurred that global climate change is connected to human activity?
<0> david ateneburough was a sceptic for a long long time, now hes a beleiver having done an exstenvie study at both poles.
<2> And then do it over many years
<3> Fr33Trade -- Limited supply of oil will effect more changes then all the environmentalists
<4> That's a fairly reputable organization
<2> Nemes, One mans intelligence is nothing to me.
<2> I look at the whole field of scientists
<2> And the ones who are the most expert, meterologists and Climatologists..
<4> what's the overall concensus among reputable scientists in the field?
<7> Topic: Bentsen not Bentson
<0> that its heppenign and we caused it
<0> without question
<4> Nemes, that's the impression that I get
<2> We wil see 20 years of hurricanes in the USA now, because its the normal patter, people will be complainng and claiming its global warming when the scientists tell you it isnt.. already.
<2> its a long established patter
<4> Nemes, and that they hold outs are few
<2> n
<4> s/they/the
<0> the bigger % of scientists is on the side of it being real and man made
<2> No the hold outs in the scientific community are in the 10s of 1000s
<2> Dont lie about it. Thats the thing about this Issue I hate
<0> there are still a few scientists whoa re saying its the earths natural cycles
<0> but they're deminishing in numbers fast
<4> Fr33Trade, I'm not lying
<5> Fr33Trade you have anything to back that up?
<8> brits are pretty convinced
<2> People lie all the time about it, Global warming is not the issue, the issue is will it harm people, and there is no consensus at al on this.
<4> I'm stating what I have read on the matter
<8> then again their state run news like to hang out on a limb quite often
<0> something 8&% of brits believe now iir
<2> IM stating what the scientists say on this.
<4> wait...I thought the issue was, is it connected to human activity?
<2> From NOAA from NASA from The peopel who invented the global warming models
<5> sources?
<2> The issue is A) is it harmful for humans B)Can it turn around and the climate change a different direction in 50 years.
<8> water evaporates quicker, even with a small increase in temp.
<2> Like one scientist says, straight like projections are seldom accurate.
<2> The world doesnt conform to straight line predictions.
<2> It fluctuates.
<3> Fr33Trade -- Limited supply of oil will effect more changes then all the environmentalists
<5> Fr33Trade so how many feet will sea level have to rise for there to be a "consensus" that it will harm humans?
<2> just like the business cycle the envrionment also fluctuates, in the 1600s it was the coldes time in written history at least history of people who lived in europe
<3> Supply and price of oil is not part of an international treaty
<8> ManKind as water gets warmer and expands, it startes evaporating much quicker also. care to figure that into your calculations
<2> AAAman, of course, and its good for us to get diversified off oil and to cleaner fuels.
<2> the key is can we do it ecoomically and it slooking like we are closer and closer to doing it economically
<5> bud` sure, more humidity in the air and further global warming
<2> without great cost to humans in jobs or money
<5> bud` i'm talking arctic ice sheets etc
<2> Also we can do it in ways which create jobs.
<4> hard to imagine though, that 6 billion creatures, and all of their use of fossile fuels or other carbon based fuels would not have some impact
<3> Fr33Trade --- Diversification is of limited value. Efficency is the way
<4> That's a lot of CO2
<8> ManKind and why are some oceans actually getting cooler?
<2> And the same concept of investing when applied to energye makes sense, diversify.
<2> also its in our national interest dealing with wars and geo politics to have less dependency on foreign oil.
<8> ManKind what about the glaciers that are getting bigger?
<2> thats a win win win
<5> bud` because the natural flow of gulf streams, etc, slow down...the conveyer belt doest work as effectively
<5> bud` where is that?
<2> its the ones that are lose lose win which are no good
<2> win/win/win is good
<5> Fr33Trade we agree on that
<2> And we are doing it right now.
<9> How goes the insanity?
<5> Fr33Trade why now then ?
<8> the glaciers in Colorado are all *growing*
<8> weird eh?
<5> and do you think it would be happening if there wasnt the push by the enviro wacks?>
<9> We would, of course, all die.
<9> It takes a liberal to save the world.
<5> bud` any others? any sources you would like to site?
<8> ManKind everywhere
<8> New Zealand
<2> I am going to try to find a transcript though its limited it addresses people on both sides of the issue and some very important people in the industry if I may call it that. If I find it, it can only help people to be more knowlegable about climate change, unless of course they have closed their minds and refuse to listen, I listen to all kinds of people from all kinds of sides, I may not agree but I listen.
<2> brb, seeing if I can find it.
<8> Glaciers in New Zealands Southern Alps gained ice m*** again in the past year. Fifty glaciers are monitored annually by the National Institute of Water & Atmospheric Research (NIWA).
<8> http://www.niwascience.co.nz/pubs/mr/archive/2005-08-30-1
<9> Noo. It's gloobal warhmiing.
<8> pretty much everywhere. the ones in colorado surprised a lot of folks
<5> bud` ok, are changes that drastic healthy? or is it a sign of more enviro instability?
<3> I compliment the channel leaders supporting the free exchange of ideas
<0> Climatologists reporting for the UN Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) say we are seeing global warming caused by human activities and there are growing fears of feedbacks that will accelerate this warming
<8> alaska
<8> There is evidence that the McGinnis Glacier, a little-known
<8> tongue of ice in the central Alaska Range, has surged.
<9> Gloobal wharmiing...
<4> Nemes, eh. the UN will be dismissed
<8> its the coming ice age!
<5> bud` again, could that not be a sypmtom of an unstable environment? 3 feet a week is pretty ****in fast
<0> meh only americans rant about the UN katey
<0> heh well america and iran
<4> Nemes, I know. :)
<4> Nemes, Israel too.
<9> Before global wharming, there wuz acid rain. Den der wuz global cooling, the dreaded population bomb, and m***ive deforestation.
<8> Kangerdlugssuaq Glacier southeast of Greenland is advancing at the rate of more than seven miles per year
<8> its the coming ice age!
<5> praxis9 and most of those are still issues
<9> Yes. The apocalyptic idiocy of Christianity has infected the deep thinkers on the Left.
<8> if the glaciers recede, it *MUST* be global warming
<9> Where all gunna DIE!
<8> if the glaciers thrive, it *MUST* be global cooling
<2> Here is one I just mention the title because at one time this hole was the biggest threat to humanity
<2> Study: Ozone Hole Will Contract, May Disappear by 2050
<9> I need to weed whack my frickin' yard.
<0> Nobody can deny the physics of the "greenhouse effect"
<9> Damn gr*** keeps growing for some reason.
<0> its simply fact
<8> praxis9 no kids in the 'hood to pay $2 eh
<8> make sure you wear sunblock out there praxis9, we gone done burned up the oh-zone
<9> Global wharming has burned up de oh zone!
<9> Buh bye.
<5> the question is "how can we lessen our impact on the environment" because population and consumption will only grow from here out (unless the environment takes care of itself)
<10> hi hansard
<8> ManKind i walk or bike as much as poss, and when i do drive, my car runs on lpg
<5> ok, now only 300 million to go ;)
<2> Another interesting headline, Sorry but until I find the transcript ;)
<2> Light Travels Backward, and Faster Than Light
<2> In new research, pulse of light is given negative speed; researcher says experiment made light appear to exceed theoretical speed limit.
<8> and im not a green freak, its just cheaper for me
<4> Fr33Trade, heh. my husband was talking to me about that one the other day
<4> :)
<4> weird ****
<2> IM not a green freak I am a conservative literally, I believe in conserving as much money, food, energy, water, anything that I can
<11> hi Rebec
<12> Hansard: hey!!
<13> I'm a real american - I waste everything possible ;-)
<11> hi Publius :)
<8> i save money, stay in shape, and my engine stays like new cause of the clean fuel.
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