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<0> Whats that chinese dam called?
<1> Libertine, I've probably heard it, but I'll check it.
<2> all in the bible there; all instances where the almighty god decided to snuff out a person, or people.
<3> hrm, lot of gore in this book
<0> What's that large chinese dam called?
<4> God comes out of the sky to kill Davids enemies
<4> my brother kinda wished for that
<0> Anyone know what the largest dam in china is called/
<2> CryArvach: god used to make public appearences I guess.
<1> I don't take the Bible literally, the benefit we have enjoyed from the Rennaisance, the Reformation and the Englightenment.
<0> God isn't going to either until someone gives me the name of that large dam in china
<2> i like this one " God allows babies to be dashed and pregnant women to be ripped open"
<4> this one is better
<2> god the baby killer ;)
<4> http://www.goatstar.org/bible-contradictions/
<1> That's the problem with Muslims, they are bereft of these benefits.
<3> Nohman, 3 gouges dam
<1> They're fundamentalist/hardcore.
<1> Although not all, most.
<2> Jett: the renaissance was the rediscovery of the greco-roman cultures, the letters, the philosophy.
<4> Man created God because in God some men saw a KILLER MLM opportunity...
<2> to tie christianity to the renissance is insulting.
<1> Libertine, it was thought.
<2> christianity is what prevented the renaissance from happening hundreds of years earlier
<1> Libertine, I'm sorry if I insulted you, but not very.
<4> yes it was Libertine...the early part anyways
<1> ya dig?
<2> frankly; the rennaissance was nothing more then the re-discovering the great culture that existed before the church stamped it out.
<1> I rather imagine you're easily insulted.
<5> Nohman: I cannot confirm nor deny this
<3> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3_gorges_dam
<4> Catholicism was the culprit
<2> CryArvach: yep
<1> before the church stamped it out? reread it....it was the dark ages that stamped it out
<3> the project is thought to have cost more than any other single construction project in history, with unofficial estimates of US$100 billion or more
<3> go china
<2> Jett: what do you think the dark ages were?
<2> Jett: they were the church.
<4> it wa the climbing out of the pit into which Europe was thrown when Rome fell
<1> Libertine, the sudden absence of Rome.
<1> what do you think they were?
<2> Jett: and the sudden power of the church :)
<4> the monks were te ones that kept learning alive
<1> if you want to believe that
<2> Jett: heh, historians generally do.
<4> but yes...Religious roo-roo wracked the lands
<1> heh, no they don't
<2> Jett: really; read Jaques Barzun's from Dawn to Decadence sometime.
<2> Jett: then tell me they don't.
<4> the premise about which they spoke in The Da Vinci code..I find quite plausible
<6> Abusive Domain or User
<4> the denigration of the female to promote the male
<2> Barzun is one of the world's greatest historians.
<4> Libertine...when did he live?
<1> Libertine, in a live forum, making reference to some printed material but declining to offer the points from it is a practice long discredited.
<2> CryArvach: he's still alive.
<1> Why don't you tell us what's in it that applies?
<4> a real Historian eh?
<2> Jett: I'm not going to type out 1200 pages to you.
<7> Cry -- yes I found the book most interesting....
<3> damn Jett, well played
<2> Jett: Historians do agree with what Im saying: i have given you a source to back that up
<1> Libertine, one might have hoped you had the power to digest.
<4> Kali...plausible isn't it?
<4> very much so
<2> Jett: I did digest; you argued I was incorrect.
<2> Jett: i told you their findings.
<3> plausible deniability goes a long way
<4> I knew at some point they redid the bible
<1> Libertine, now you're playing the Authority card...it's a cheat in a field I can recommend to you, called, Reason.
<2> CryArvach: several times in history.
<7> Yes it is Cry -- based upon historical things of the time, and then based on the concepts of hidden things of the church
<2> Jett: you claim historians do not agree with me; I have given one that does.
<4> Back the winning horse..load the dice...and subvert matriachal religions
<2> Jett: you can discredit Barzun if you like. I would like to see you try.
<1> Libertine, no, I have claimed nothing on behalf of historians, you have.
<4> I think the Coptics had something to do with it as well
<2> Jett: so you agree that historians agree with my claim?
<1> Libertine, I'd like to see you offer his ideas.
<7> Cry -- ya
<4> its amusing how they are coming up with "Gospels" they were not able to destroy
<2> Jett: I already did; the rennaissance was a rediscovery of greco-roman culture and writings.
<4> Coptics are reviled by Rome and by Islam
<1> Libertine, no, I don't really on vagueries, such as, "historians agree.....blah blah blah" and I think I offered you the reason I don't and you shouldn't.
<1> This is a live forum, thell me what you got from Barzun.
<2> Jett: that the rennaissance was only possible after the fall of the absolute authority of the catholic church was challenged, thanks to the reformation.
<1> rely
<3> A wicked and adulterous generation asks for a miraculous sign! But none will be given it
<2> Jett: the moment the church was no longer able to supress thought; we had a sudden explosion of thought..
<1> but Libertine, the Reformation didn't occur until after the Renaissance was mostly accomplished.
<1> Perhaps it's grammar you lack. It's confusing.
<2> Jett: you have that backwards.
<8> hey kali
<2> Jett: the reformation allowed the rennisance to happen.
<5> Jett: LOL
<2> not the otherway around.
<7> hey KALO --
<5> Well said
<2> rennaisance.
<1> let's see, Martin Luther, circa 1500...and where do you place the Renaissance?
<2> 1550
<9> ?
<1> heh
<1> I think you're a hundred and fifty years off
<5> Jett: damn anti-religious libertarians
<1> l(
<1> yikes
<7> Jett -- maybe its a lack of historical knowledge?? ya suppose
<9> who is cometbaby and is he/she here? i want to talk
<2> Jett: think what you like then :)
<1> Kali, could be.
<2> Jett; reformation then renn.
<2> thats how it went.
<1> Libertine, how about I check, if I'm wrong, I'll tell you, brb.
<9> GO GNAA!!
<10> this3d, you are devoiced (Requested by TheTailor )
<4> http://www.coptic.net/EncyclopediaCoptica/
<2> neat.. Renaissance), to indicate the flourishing of artistic and scientific activities starting in Italy in the mid 1300's, was first used by the Italian artist Giorgio Vasari in the Vite, published in 1550
<4> hehe
<2> official start is 1550.
<8> the dark ages happened because europeans did what europeans do...fight amongst themselves when they have no overarching authority
<4> Libertine..the Renaissance does not really start until the 1400s
<1> Libertine...."The Italian Renaissance of the 15th century represented a reconnection of the west with cl***ical antiquity....."
<4> 1300s were upheaveal and plague
<1> so, the fourteen hundreds
<11> ...
<4> something was needed to damage the church's seeming omnipotence
<8> the Catholic Church kept open schools of learning that kept at least old ideas alive if they weren't the incubators for new ideas
<4> The Black Plague did the trick
<1> Libertine: "Martin Luther (November 10, 1483 February 18, 1546)...."
<2> Kalomine: sure; so long as you held to a earth-centric view of the universe.
<1> Libertine, so a hundred years off
<2> Jett: martin luther is the REFORMATION
<4> once the plague killed enough people....
<4> it severly altered the world paradigms
<1> Libertine, did you not claim that the Reformation predated the Renaissance?
<11> .. culture in the renaissance didnt really waver from christianity, and the black plague strengthened some of the moral convictions. the black plague is the source of the idea of the danse macabre, that material desires in live are vanity because we are equal before death
<1> or did I misunderstand you?
<2> Jett: it did.
<3> And I will bring the sword upon you to avenge the breaking of the covenant. When you withdraw into your cities, I will send a plague among you, and you will be given into enemy hands
<8> libertine: like I said...they kept schools open...didn't say they had the greatest curriculum....but what ya gonna do when europe is rocked with in fighting and civil war
<11> christianity just changed during the renaissance it didnt weaken
<4> Reformation was in 1500s
<3> seems we are ****ed for now
<2> Kalomine: sounds like a fine time to kill people.
<2> CryArvach: indeed.
<4> redfish...The Plague weakened Christianity
<1> okay, then the Renaissance which began in the fourteen hundreds, certainly predated Luther who wasn't born until nearly 1500
<1> ya dig?
<4> it reaved through the rich the poor the pious the heretical
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