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Comments:
<0> Lupine: I demonstrated my knowledge of the subject matter, you have not done anything to say where anything I have said about fallacies is incorrect.
<1> Six of the seven people have died.
<2> forced
<2> whipped
<2> ugh
<3> Libertine: your appeal to self authority demonstrates your lack of knowledge of the key principle of the logical fallacies
<2> suddenly my love of horse racing has slipped
<4> Lupine: That's just silly! You are being a silly person.
<2> why would any creature want to continue to run on a shattered leg?
<0> Lupine: when you can find one incorrect item in my past explainations, then I will concede, otherwise you have failed in your charge to invalidate my authority.
<3> You can not claim that you are an authority, on teh basis that you are an authority in determining if you are an authority.
<2> only thing i can think of is fear of other consequences
<0> ... ~ respect my authori-ta.
<3> Yaakov: it is silly to just take someone's claim at face value on IRC?
<2> i mean, that jock had to pull up hard
<4> Lupine: Stay on the topic man!
<3> You can not claim you are an authority, without evidence of it.
<5> Lup: I think it's fair to ***ess them based upon the arguments made and the method in which they are presented.
<2> lup, yes, and I'm a horny 14 year old girl wanting to have you cross state lines to meet me
<2> my parents are away this weekend!~
<6> Linus lol
<3> Timur: But his inability to recognize his own appeal to authority, in this case, himself.. renders that moot
<2> please don't enter naked though
<3> timur: application of knowledge is far more important than simply regurgitating it.
<0> Lupine: I repeat; appeal to authority is INVALID if any of the following cases A) The person has sufficient expertise in the subject matter in question. B) The claim being made by the person is within her area(s) of expertise. C) There is an adequate degree of agreement among the other experts in the subject in question.
<0> Lupine: now read it :P
<3> libertine: i have. now YOU understand it.
<2> Libertine, Lupine always pulls this charade
<2> instead of addressing whatever the hell the original issue was, he questions your creds
<0> Lupine: ohwell, we'll just have to agree to disagree :P
<4> Lupine: If I understand your usage of "authority" it is something like "A person with exhaustive or presumably exhaustive knowledge of a subject area". But that's not what the word means, particularly in the technical sense that it is used in this context.
<3> You can not claim yourself to be an authority.
<5> Lup: not if he feels that his authority is legitimate. Perhaps he needs do more work in establishing that perception among others..
<3> linus: um, this IS the original issues ;-)
<5> one can claim onself to be an authority.
<7> it never hurts to cite your sources
<5> people do it all the time. Sometimes it's justified.
<2> he had to claim authority on something
<0> Lupine: so you are not the authority of yourself?
<0> :P
<4> Lupine: In this context an authority is someone who has sufficient knowledge to be authorative about the particular facts in question.
<3> Yaakov: I merely point out that he is claiming himself is an authority. And his arguement that he is an authority is, is because he determines he is an authority.
<2> if you tell me the issue is his claiming authority that he is an authority on his authoritativeness, I'm killing all of you
<0> we should start spelling it "authoritah"
<7> ffs folks, even if you are a self proclaimed authority, without creds you still need to back your **** up
<2> au-holes
<3> Yaakov: in fact, he should have recognized that, and then took a step back, and shown why he is an authority, independant of his own slef-claim.
<5> Lup: I think he has determined he is an authority based upon his command of the issues being discussed.
<2> au pair ity
<7> and yapping on IRC does not give you creds
<3> yaakov: for example, if I claimed "I am an authority because I understand the material", would YOU accept that?
<4> Lupine: Second, "appeal to authority" is only a logical fallacy if it is essential to the proof embodied in an argument. So, this ISN'T "appeal to authority" and if any other sort of appeal to authority is occuring it is PROPERLY dealt with by challenging FACTS not authority.
<5> the extent of that may be debatable, but there you go.
<0> Lupine: i did that, PAGES ago by listing the definition of argument and fallacy, and gave many examples of fallacies.
<0> Lupine: maybe you were not listening?
<2> doe a deer, a female deer
<2> ray, a drop of golden sun
<3> Yaakov: his self appeal of being an authority is absolutely essential to his claim to be an authority.
<4> Lupine: If you demonstrate your command of the subject matter by providing factual statements that are correct, I would accept it.
<5> how dull, gentlemen.
<0> Timur: it is dull..
<2> me, my name, i call myself (free w/ friends and family!)
<3> Timur: the sad thing is, Libertine could simply have asked others to agree he is an authority on the subject. But his own personal ego seems to be preventing such an OBVIOUS course of action.
<4> Lupine: But his claim to being an authority is entirely UNIMPORTANT to his argument.
<7> i thought this was #politics not #iamanauthorityonthisiswear
<3> Yaakov: his claim to be an authority is unimportant to his arguement that he is an authority?
<0> Lupine: i dont need to ask others; I know I am an authority on this issue from past experience.
<2> fatah, the opposite of nun
<3> that is um, ****ed up. <-- technical
<8> what ISSUE is being claimed?
<3> libertine: oh, you KNOW you are an authority on this issue. How nice.
<4> Lupine: The ONLY reason that it is an issue is because YOU chose to make it one for entirely rhetorical purposes BY YOUR OWN ADMISSION.
<0> Kaliuna: the existence and usage of logical fallacies.
<3> Kal: that Libertine has not provided evidence he is a reocngized authority on this subject :-)
<8> you have a doctoral or masters in the area?
<2> who was that guy who lived in his own urine for a week?
<3> Kaliuna: awe..don't ruin the fun :-)
<5> Lup: well, that presumes you have, in order to mount such an obnoxiously and arduously belaboredly long challenge.
<9> David Blain?
<8> okkkkkkk -- sighhhhh -- but it does get a bit welllll
<8> hi JETT
<4> Lupine: No, his claim to authority is unimportant to the discussion of the validity of logical fallacies as weaknesses in arguments that may invalidate.
<3> Kaliuna; anyways, libertine is so locked into own self, he has not provided any other evidence other than his own claims.
<10> hi Kalidear ;)
<8> Lupine -- so I've been reading for some time now...
<5> Lup: haven't you already said that like.. 5 times?
<8> Jett -- hows it going?
<6> Jett!
<2> Lupine, now wait just a minute... if he had said credentials, the paper kind, you'd be on about liberal ideologies imbued in college
<10> Kali, not bad , and with you?
<3> Timur: yes, and Libertine STILL doesn't find a way out of it.
<4> Lupine: And frankly, if you are NOT trolling you really need to look into rhetoric and sophistry--and if you are, you are a crapweasel.
<3> Timur: that is the fun part :-)
<10> Rebec, yeow! you landed right on my.....car keys....
<2> wheres Bennie?
<0> Well I do hold a masters of arts in Arts, Letters, and Sciences
<8> Jett -- enjoying my baker's dozen grandkids .. :)
<0> no phd tho :(
<10> heh
<10> I'm hip.
<4> Lupine: But don't think I don't love you, man.
<11> hmm crapweasel new one on Boot
<10> Rebec, my darling, so good to see you ;)
<5> Lup: well, what you consider fun, I consider a mind numblingly boring, redundant, pointless, and unimaginative pseudo-conversation
<2> my doctorate is in the area of velvet paintings
<8> Libertine - but not in the area of expertise you are claiming
<3> Yaakov: You know, a normal rational person.. which his own claim to be an authority is questioned.. would provide OTHER justification rather than simply argueing that he is one :-)
<5> Yaakov: again, well said.
<0> Kaliuna: actually logical fallacies do fall in my expertise.
<12> hi jett
<5> Lup: well, maybe he's .. like.. read books.
<3> Libertine: or so you claim.
<0> Kaliuna: argument was part of my education.
<10> heya fish ;)
<2> ever notice that people with velvet paintings on their walls also have Velveeta in the fridge?
<3> linus: right next to the coors light
<0> Linus--: you have a point...
<4> Kaliuna: He is not claiming any expertise beyond that which can be directly demonstrated and tested. He is making no claims that depend only on his "expertise".
<2> and mr velvedere reruns
<8> Libertine -- I have yet to see proof of that -- from what you've stated to this point in time. As part of my own education I have to question your claims
<10> logical fallacies are just as harmful as bad ideas
<10> ;)
<2> but no volvos
<5> Linus: which proves that the tv series, 'V', is true!
<0> Yaakov: I am happy to demonstrate my authority should Lupine ever present a single challenge.
<2> ha!
<2> yes
<4> Lupine: You already disposed of any authority less than a Havard Professor, and that was only a maybe.
<0> Yaakov: so long as Lupine fails to present a challenge, I can not demonstrate it to any satisfaction :)
<2> and isn't the president really a double V?
<3> Libertine: eh? I did present a challenge. Several in fact.
<4> Libertine: You already did since your factual statements are easily confirmed in many places and you didn't pin any arguments on them in any case.
<0> Lupine: ask me about a fallacy, have me identify one in a argument you make then :)
<2> dear mr fallacy, play me a tune
<13> when ever anyone says they ar waiting for a challenge, chanes rate high they A) Are a Donkey B) Clueless and C) a Donkey
<10> Yaakov, still making wood chips?
<5> Lib, Lup: seriously dudes, can you take it to #gratuitous_argument or something?
<8> Darth -- hi
<13> hi
<4> Jett: Not much lately, too busy. :(
<0> Timur: i offered to do that.. pages ago.. he never responded.
<10> Yaakov, mmmm, same here
<4> Timur: This isn't an argument, really.
<5> Lib: well, then, might as well let it go, I reckon.. :)
<2> DarthBurg, is your real name AnakinBurg?
<4> Timur: It is more of a crapweasel festival.
<5> Yaakov: I paid 2 pounds for an argument!
<5> Yaakov: precisely. :)
<4> Timur: You did not.
<13> Nope, its Ben
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