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<0> lgcbmb, maybe
<0> or maybe not
<1> yeah about tiem to start the draw down
<0> supposedly the Iraqis are ready to start doing some of this ****
<0> so maybe it's for the best
<1> heh about time
<2> the iraqis have been saying that for a while
<2> then they take the weapons and disappear
<3> Herzen: you there? damnit
<0> Halcion, they're too busy with their political and religious militias
<0> all that killing can really eat up your day
<2> what carnage
<3> Halcion: where are yuo?
<2> CA
<1> Defeat the insurgents militarily--here's how http://weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/012/241kdhyv.asp
<4> Publius can you verify the dress code law in Iran? apparently they deny it now
<0> Rebec, it's been difficult for me to find confirmation too
<3> Rebec: well the Iranian jews
<3> are saying it is not what everyone thinks
<4> http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1145961377561&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull
<5> 500 gig HDs coming down to $280 western digital sata
<3> Rebec: like, it is a legislative bomb
<4> Publius well anyone will say anything in Iran won't they?
<3> ya know
<4> yeah
<0> I read an article about it in a Canadian paper, which then retracted it, based on comments from a leader of an Iranian Jewish organization here in the US
<0> so who knows
<3> Rebec: the jews in Iran
<3> are saying this
<3> and I am happy
<3> haha
<3> thank god
<6> you a jew in iran, Publius?
<4> Publius so what did they say?
<5> I recently paid around $229 or something for a 400gig
<6> maybe it's time jews move to canada
<2> canada?
<6> yeah, everyone will be nice to them
<6> plenty of space
<2> why would you send anyone to that godforsaken hinterland?
<6> they need somewhere to go, don't they?
<6> so I pick canada
<3> Rebec: read this, http://today.reuters.com/news/newsarticle.aspx?type=inDepthNews&storyid=2006-05-22T123630Z_01_L14417858_RTRUKOC_0_US-ISRAEL-IRAN-JEWS.xml&src=rss&rpc=22
<4> ok
<2> the world is already quantified...i'm beginning to think that all this nation-state/war paradigm is a little juvenile
<2> it's time for libertarianism + free trade to take over
<7> Oh, yes. It's time to remake human beings as little calculating machines.
<7> Charming.
<2> ?
<2> that's an extreme derivation from my statement...
<3> Halcion:
<3> so
<3> get your government to help in Iraq
<3> NOW
<0> free trade and libertarianism don't really go together
<2> how about this...
<3> what?
<0> libertarians tend to be isolationist
<3> lol
<3> yes
<3> tis true
<3> and yet they are always screaming freetrade
<3> lol
<2> a coalition of nations agree to renounce war. They give an ultimatum to the rest of the nations to join or be conquored
<0> but free trade suggests global trade, which requires involvement with the world
<8> katey military wise but they support trade liberalization
<0> redfish, well, that's naive, imo
<3> Halcion: what do you mean?
<6> Publius, you a jew in Iran?
<9> I think they want to be isolationalist when it comes to military action - whatever
<3> no IM NOT
<10> libertarians are isolationists because they just want to be left alone to smoke their joints
<3> jesus dude
<5> Yes they do Libertarians support free trade 100% but free Traders dont neccesarily support Libertarianism 100% though often we have strong Libertarian principles.
<11> all extreme ideologies are naive
<0> baaba, yes, I agree
<2> I say that a coalition of nations contract to give up war as a means....they then give a deadline to the rest of the nations in the world to also sign.
<0> purity is naive
<12> Halion, who would be in your coalition?
<2> at least the big 5
<0> Halcion, heh. good luck. :)
<5> Libertarians are for involvement with the world, they just dont believe in going to war for reasons like genocide or anything which doesnt effect our national interest directly.
<4> Halcion that was done post WW1
<12> if just one nuclear power doesnt join then your plan is fooked
<3> Halcion: hell ****in yeah
<0> people are bastards when it comes to money and power.
<3> and lets actually enforce it this time
<3> America is the only one doing it
<5> Katey, I think if you believe in about any ideology 100% its naive.
<3> Britian is helping
<11> i have this theory of people
<4> hi Nemes
<5> But I htink Libertarian principles are often very good and noble.
<11> everything that drives us
<11> at the very bottom of it all
<12> hello bec
<11> is laziness
<0> Fr33Trade, I agree, to a point
<4> Libertarians are misunderstood
<5> Which is why i am a libertarian (Small l) Republican..
<3> baaba: Finland needs to help in Iraq
<11> and if we strive for something, we strive to be able to be more lazy
<3> someway
<3> are you guys doing anything now?
<9> Legalizing drugs isn't good or noble
<4> we constantly fight rediculous stereotypes
<11> Publius: i don't think so
<11> Publius: the majority of finns have no clue about what's happening in iraq though
<3> well, you are one of the few respectable isolationists left
<2> once war is illegal, the UN or some other international body could simply punish crimes
<11> because the news reporting is so crappy
<3> but we need your help
<5> I believe in the principles but I realize in the real world A) its impossible and B) there will be exceptions to any absolute belief system in politics.
<6> sorry if I asked twice, I didn't hear the first answer... I'm just wondering why someone asked you to "confirm" the dress code
<4> Publius many respectable libertarians exist
<3> they do
<4> bio because I thought he might have a clue
<11> basically all the news from iraq is just "n people dead in suicide bombings"
<3> Halcion: yes
<11> every day
<3> which is pathetic journalism
<0> thanks, redfish
<12> Halcion, you cant abolish war, there will always be one antion that doesnt want to do what another wants to or tells it to
<11> and nobody talks about the larger scope of things
<12> not everyone is the same
<12> were not all clones
<11> effectively making people sick of the whole war and wanting to avoid anything that has anything to do with it
<5> I like to use the example of a 10 yers old girl dying outside a hospital in america because she and her parents have no money and a 100k operation would save her. Strictly speaking Libertarianism says you cant compel people to help her. I say You can and should compel people to help her, who and how its paid for in the end can be figured out afte she is recovering.
<2> Nemes: those "nations" or groups would be forced to capitulate
<13> Halcion: lol what is the un going to do? hahha
<12> just how do you plan on doing that?
<3> baaba: sadly. unfortunately, the world needs to grow up
<2> RobVanDam: you missed my earlier suggestion that the nations of the world would be joined in a pact to renounce war...by force if necessary
<11> Fr33Trade: i've heard charity often claimed as a solution for that
<12> like i said before if just one nuclear power doesnt sign up to your coalition then its fooked
<1> The latest tax cut gives 80 percent of the tax savings to the top 10 percent of taxpayers, but voters are apathetic http://csmonitor.com/2006/0522/p15s01-cogn.html
<3> baaba: we don't like talking about it here, but we understand we need to to do this
<0> Fr33Trade, I think that the world that's envisioned by people who think that every single thing should be privatized is pretty scary
<2> yup.
<2> you're right nemes
<5> But there are moral principles which sometimes go beyond ideals of total non coercion.
<0> and not good for the country
<12> something like that coalition of yours just doesnt happen
<3> thank god
<3> which is why
<11> Fr33Trade: hypothetical situation: you have food but your neighbour doesn't. He's about to starve. Do you share your food for free?
<0> Fr33Trade, it's not just morals.
<3> the new American nuclear treaty
<3> will help
<12> not at that level of sincerity anyways
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