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Comments:
<0> really? doesn't show.
<1> timur: it should not require communication for people to have the will to fight for their rights and freedom
<1> they should'nt have to be TOLD "this isn't right, you shouldn't blindly go to your death without a struggle"
<0> "The strong family ties, the martyrdom, the lack of central national authority, the social responsibility; all the tools for survival that worked very well for two thousand years, were a hindrance in the conditions of the Holocaust. "
<2> Lupine: it, uhm, did in the Revolutionary War of 1776.
<1> tweek: no, we asked to be set free.. then when not granted, we fought ;-)
<2> Lupine: any idea how quickly a small packet of unorganized rebellions would have been taken down?
<0> it does, when there's a huge organized war machine with the full resources of a powerful state.
<1> tweek: not as fast as the gas chambers of auschwitz
<2> communication of the Declaration of Independence was most certainly vital
<1> again, they probably still would have died.. but with dignity
<3> Gun ownership is at a All time high and violent crime is at the lowest point in 30 years.
<0> which isn't across an ocean, but right there controlling every aspect of life in your country, and in which one's fellow erstwhie countrymen all too often collaborated to turn you in.
<3> The number of RTC states is at an all-time high, up from 10 in 1987 to 38 today.8 In 2004, states with RTC laws, compared to other states, had lower violent crime rates on average. Total violent crime was lower by 21%, murder by 28%, robbery by 43%, and aggravated ***ault by 13%.9
<2> FreeTrade: yeah... I see little need for gun control
<2> even if it were constitutional
<3> rtc = right to carry firearms
<0> again, you really should reserve judgement as to either history or moral evaluations of it when you clearly don't know much about it.
<1> timur: in any event, your position that we should have no 2nd amendment right, is as offensive to me.. as probably having the dead corpse of a jewish woman at dauchau sodomized by SS guards would be to you.
<0> then that shows what kind of a person you are, enough said.
<1> as I find your position as morally repugnant as the nazi's, pol pot, and others who attempt to disarm the citizens from being able to fight for their freedom and liberties
<1> timur: yes, because you wish to affect all free citizens, so you are actually far MORE repugnant
<0> except that's not the dynamic. Guns now are being used to argue over parking spaces and establish who controls drug corners.
<0> no, you are repugnant.
<0> ignore time redux. :)
<2> Timur: argue over parking spaces...?
<1> I'm not argueing that the govn't should be trashing the rights of individuals
<0> tweek: yeah, one guy in SW Philly shot and killed another guy over a parking space
<1> how is one who argues against basic human rights not repugnant?
<0> about 2, 3 winters ago
<2> the problem there isn't with the guns :)
<4> Timur: lol really?
<1> tweek: yea, timur blames the GUN for it. not the people. lol
<2> if they're that pissed off they're going to tear off the ****ing antennas of their cars and beat them senseless with them if they have to
<0> yeah, the first guy had shoveled it out, the second guy pulled in, the first guy was like, wtf, the second guy shot him.
<1> timur: why don't you blame Ford or Chevy?
<1> or whoever made the cars
<4> damn
<4> ****ing idiot
<2> it'd be easier to blame the city for not providing enough free municipal parking
<5> blame canada
<2> </douchebag_JT_cock****er>
<1> tweek: hahaha.. yea.. but no.. timur blames the gun.
<1> I bet that gun "accidently fired" as well! hahahhaaha
<2> guns, violence, ... just ****ing calm down and it'll be cool
<0> tweek: it was a residential neighborhood.
<2> learn to control yourself and hope others have enough balls to do the same
<2> and if not, whip out your .45 and cap a bitch
<1> tweek: lol.. but timur believes that no citizen can control themselves with a firearm
<1> don't carry a .45 much.. usually either a .40 or .44
<2> Lupine: stop circle-jerking.
<2> Lupine: because I'm not NRA and don't really give a ****.
<1> i'm not NRA either
<0> tweek: yeah, but guns give a lot of people unjustified bravado, too.
<2> yeah but you're trying to bury Timur with this. who cares?
<1> bury? naw
<2> let it go. he doesn't want you to own a gun, his problem, he can try if he likes.
<2> if you have to, ignore him.
<1> tweek: I disagree. Unlike the jews in nazi germany, I will not stand silent as others advocate the abolishment of fundemental human rights.
<1> well, unlike MOST, as in 99.99%
<2> then you'll be a whiny douchebag and get ignored.
<2> this isn't Nazi Germany, so get used to it.
<1> ah yes.. "whining douchebag" because I believe in the bill of rights
<2> ****ing hell. I'm done with both of ya
<0> I'm ignoring him, so I'm fine. :)
<1> yea well, run off and hide
<2> whining douchebag because you think he can actually do **** about it.
<2> whining douchebag because you keep bringing him up.
<2> whining douchebag because that's what you are. deal.
<1> tweek: no, but it is a strong/step uphill battle, with the democrats trying to toss the constitution
<0> bahahaha
<0> you're evil. ;)
<1> yea well, YOU are a fishing douchebag ;-)
<2> bah. to hell with this channel.
<0> I should go flip my steaks over
<1> who did you douche? monica lewinsky?
<1> heh.. ran off, couldn't stand the heat. lol
<4> couldn't stand you
<4> lol
<1> of course, I believe in the constitution, and believe it needs to be defended.
<1> and I do not sit idly by and allow people advocate destroying it without rebuttle
<1> rcane: if a regularly here, admitted that he believes that blacks should be returned to slavery, and that no blacks should be free.. you bet your *** I'll bring it up every time I saw them.
<0> reminds me of that Seinfeld episode where the old gym coach calls George 'Cantstandya'
<1> if someone thought women should have no rights.. i'll stand up and take them to task.
<6> what a nice canadian election:)
<1> in this case, timur has admitted that he wants to see the total banishment of firearms, and trash the 2nd amendment.. and he refuses to stand up to defend any of the other rights.. rather, he thinks that is the role of the govn't
<0> Bloc: foresee any major changes?
<1> bloc: yes/no, 1 vote shy of not having to include the liberal/leftoids in anything
<6> 4 parties get seats, 4 parties declare victory - in canada everyone is a winner! no losers;P
<6> it's like the special olympics
<4> Timur: really? reminds me of the mandelbaums magic crepe episode
<6> Lupine, don't be confused by the party labels...all the parties are fairly moderate
<4> Timur: where all the mandelbaums injure there backs
<1> bloc: yes, moderate liberals
<6> yep:)
<6> we benefit from location
<0> mandelbaum!mandelbaum!mandelbaum! *crack* aaaghgh! my back!
<1> Canada might have won the battle in WWII, but it was defeated by the socialists in teh long run
<6> what defeat?
<1> even the US, the socialists are very strong
<6> that's such a loaded statement
<1> bloc: the fight against the socialists of germany
<6> ahh german socialists
<0> he is has a lot of loads
<1> blco: right.. luckily, not fascist socialist ;-)
<6> i think it was a good election
<6> one party ****ed up (over something like 2 million...meh) and was voted out
<6> another new party is in power and they get a few years to be test driven
<6> with the risk of being dissolved if they aren't 'nice'
<6> err 2 million $
<1> yep.. of course, there are still strong positions against firearms.. but least there won't be the total ban [ for the moment ]
<6> bizness as usual
<6> i do hope they bring private medicare though
<6> keep balancing the budget and it's all good
<1> maybe get some decent helicopters...
<6> yep trade in some bicycles for real military vehicles
<6> US should get some $$ for selling military h/w
<1> the thing is, canada does have some remarkable military forces, men wise.
<6> they're all playing hockey:P
<6> right now
<6> keeping in shape
<1> heh.. well, like their spec-ops and snipers in afghanastan
<1> but man, its gotta **** having no real equipment for the most part
<6> yeah...they should increase a bit
<6> we have the money
<1> on one of the big sniper forumns, there was a big call for donations for canadian sniper teams.. to purchase better optics/rifles
<6> interesting
<1> something like over 100k in private money was raised, and forgot which optic company sold them "at cost"
<7> Canada may bave the biggest oil reserves in the world in sand, but no quality rifles.
<6> there isn't the military culture here
<6> no 'westpoint' kind of grooming
<8> Bloc it's not like every American goes to west point :)
<7> Canadian soldiers would likely disagree, I went to school with them and found them top notch.
<6> i'm ont saying they're bad
<1> it's so funny how our media goes apeship that we don't provide a half million per soldier in the fanciest gadgets..
<7> They use our schools
<1> tailor: right, they have alot of good men.. inspite of the resources
<6> just saying the general population don't hold cadets in the same regard as the US does
<7> Of course, so does everyone else
<8> Bloc; in what reguard does the US hold "cadets" ?
<6> seems like a lot more pomp and circumstance
<1> kob: well, military service looks great on a resume
<7> Bloc, most Americans don't even know we have cadets
<6> dunno:) i think everyone nkows how potent the us military is
<8> Lupine sure, but mostly because it says "I was willin to put up with thier bull****, I can sure take your's" :)
<1> bloc: many peole do not realize that a canadian is often 'second-in-command' at NORAD
<1> KoB: hahaha.. also says alot of discipline and leadership
<6> that's administrative though
<1> bloc: no, talking about being next to the hot phone and in actual command
<8> Lupine yeah, that's what I said ;)
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