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<0> ;)
<1> so, if it's 70% liberal and 30% conservative, say, then it's 99% shallow and uninformative and stupid.
<1> exactly so
<2> Lupine: ever read aol articles? they are written by little kids
<3> sure.. then it would be "the bias does not matter to me" rather than "there is no bias"
<3> but my last problem, YOU should then understand.. I dont want to read about what some yahoo reporter THINKS was said.. I want to read what was ACTUALLY said.
<4> What worries more tan the bias which is easily observed, is the bias which can't be observed... ie: the lack o coverage of topics based on a bias
<3> reporters "summaries" are part of a m***ive and insideous upsurp between news REPORTING, and editorializing pundicts
<0> Lupine Did you vote for Bush because He Wasnt pro Israel, but rather he wanted a balanced policy ? Or did you vote for him because he was pro Israel and that was your only reason? Or Anti Israel and that was your only reason ? ;)
<3> kobushi: oh, ABSOLUTELY
<5> oh, RLY
<3> kobushi: for example, NY Times ran, what.. 75+ stories on pressuring the investigation of valerie plame.. how many have they run on getting to who leaked the NSA story? one? maybe two?
<4> Or maybe even not due to bias... but take for example Canaa's political changes, and recent drama bfore that with corruptin...
<0> Lag me with a spoon
<4> not a word about it in the US
<3> FT: lol. in 2004, I wrote in "Al Gore", and tried to get as many others to do the same. I felt that he was robbed of votes in 2000, so I wanted to give him votes in 2004 to make up for it.
<4> never hear anything about Mexico's political winds either
<3> KoBushi: hell, even HERE< the results of iraqi elections dind't make a wave
<4> To me, that sort of news is as important as national news; or at least a close 2nd; especially Canada since they supply us with TONS of ****
<6> Timur: you *should* ascribe significance to it, because that IS the bias. by ignoring that you are ignoring the bias. no wonder you don't perceive the bias!
<0> Lupine, Liar you are anti-semitic, racist, anti woman, you have substituted guns for your small penis and you are bigoted against religion!
<1> bias is only one issue among several and for me that of greatest significance is the lack of breadth and depth in reportage generally, especially by our own benighted US media
<0> hahaha
<3> but that is two issues really #1 intentional suppression of stories not condusive to your agenda #2 limiting coverage of non-US events
<3> panin: I have no problem fi someone says "I do not mind the bias".. but that is different than claiming it doesn't exist
<4> Timur yeah.. though the BBC makes me glad of one thing...
<0> This is a ****y time for Iran to come up on the radar (ON a more serious note)
<1> FT: you forgot 'paranoid'
<4> that our politicians aren't as openly childish as the UK's politicians are
<6> Lupine: exactly
<4> thier Parliment meetings are like schoolyard arguments
<3> Freetrade: heh, you reading frued?
<0> We have to oppose the ****er and yet its going to freak out the people who need to have confidence in the economy.
<0> Timur oh yeah he is pranoid too ;)
<1> FT: that's exactly why Iran wants to be on the radar as much as possible now; perception of timing of greatest leverage
<5> orly?
<0> Timur, right now them doing what they are doing will hurt the Bush presidency some.
<1> FT: yeah, anyone who thinks our own .gov intends to commit genocide on US citizens. .is imo paranoid
<2> lol
<0> I suppose thats part of their goal.
<3> You know, why is there no "special" term for anti-islam or anti-christian, but there is "anti semetic"?
<0> Lupine, I was teasing you I am sure you know !
<3> timur: yea, i'm sure that many felt the same way in 1932
<2> KoBushi: that is only the house of commons
<6> personally, I think every liberal should be forced to read the Grosclose & Milyo paper
<3> FT: I know you are :P but that is somethign I have always wondered
<1> Lup: because Judaism is at once a religion, a race, and a culture, whereas that's not true of the others, or at least not to the same extent, and because of the historical circumstance of Jews in Europe for about 2000 years, but esp the last 1000.
<3> timur: again, the reason why I bring it up is, I am just fascinated how someone of your ancestry can dismiss it
<2> just neutron bomb tehran
<0> Bush politically could do the most by doing as Europe did which is to just talk with no action..
<2> that should shut them down
<3> timur: well, i don't buy into the clap trap of one group having "rights" over language. if one is against the palestinians, they are anti semeetic, as palestinians are semetic as well
<2> Lupine: yes... because more people are anti semetic...
<4> Timur but it isn't always "at once" those things
<0> This way he could avoid the politics of dealing with Iran which will be neccesary but hard.
<1> Kob: yes, it is.
<4> Timur there are many people which have converted to judism... they ar only religiously jewish, not culturally or ethnically
<1> Lup: because this isn't Nazi Germany
<0> I dont think they can deal with economic sanctions as well as we can deal with $4 a gallon gas.
<4> there are others, who have renounced thier faith, and are onl ethnically jewish
<4> etc
<0> There economy will break much faster.
<1> and the whole conceptualization is so deeply flawed from an historical point of view.
<1> that's why
<0> Our wont break but it will be slowed down.
<4> So, just because all exist, doesn't mean that all 3 are synonymous (sp?)
<7> Man when you got Hamas as a major party that is just wrong
<3> timur: who knows.. germany changed very fast, you are niave to think it could never happen again
<0> ours
<1> Kob: right, but that's a small minority, and always has been
<3> timur: maybe if jews would have had the balls to stand up and fight in decent numbers... maybe they wouldn't have survived, but at least they'ld have had their cultural dignity.
<1> Lup: you know
<1> that is incredibly stupid and offensive
<1> and again shows how little you know of history
<1> so, ignore.
<3> timur: you are right.. the idea that we should all give up our weapons, because you do not believe it could ever happen.. *IS* increadibly stupid and offensive
<0> And slowing down the economy psychologically could prolong the paranoia about the economy despite 3 solid years of growth. and probably another year this year, Iran will have to sell oil.. They dont even have their own gasoline refineries, they have import gas..
<4> I think there needs to be created seperate terms, for the Jewish ethnicity and the religion... it would clear a lot of things up I think :)
<0> and oil is about their entire economy
<7> I never understood how you can just stand there while they start shooting you I would attack to my last breath
<3> sweet: right
<1> we in fact kept our cultural dignity under 1000 years of Christian oppression and attempts to undermine that dignity, and without guns.
<0> we have many parts to our economy and there are still a lot of oil producing exporters like Russia.
<2> Lupine: jews didn't stand up and fight in numbers? bull****
<3> timur: and yet, with all that.. they meekly went to the death camps
<7> but by the time they knew they were very weak
<3> rcane: if only 1/10th of the able bodied population owned a firearm...
<1> and people even in the camps prayed, wrote and produced art, much of which was later discovered
<1> but of course, that's meaningless to someone whose only notion of dignity stems from guns.
<0> Timur, No doubt christians and other people in power screwed over the jews... I dont know what would of happened had the shoe been on the other foot. I cant predict.
<3> timur: and yet, all that work and effort done, but not directed at fighting for themselves
<7> you see them being shot by one guy I would have jumped him and died trying to kill the sum bitch
<2> Lupine: have you ever been to Israel?
<3> timur: no, the dignity is willing to stand up and fight for your rights. Instead of just blindly accepting what the govn't gives you.
<0> But the key component was major powers and major religions against a small minority relatively. But there is no historical justification for what the Romans did nor the CHristians.
<1> FT: huh? that's such a large hypothetical, I can't even imagine why you'd bring it up. "On the other hand, if we had wings and two heads.."
<3> sweet: i've seen vidoes.. where they had a line of jews.. shot in the back of the head.. one after another.. and they just stood there, and did nothing to even try to save themselves
<1> whether or not it was justified it happened, and despite it all, dignity was retaiend
<3> sweet: sure, they probably would still have died, but at least they'ld have died fighting for their freedom
<1> a whole culture developed under that duress.
<2> Timur: the size of ones gun is the size of ones manhood.. didn't you get the memo?
<4> if we had wings and two heads, we would surely be constantly aruging wit ourselves as to which way to fly
<3> timur: dignity is not gained by refusing to fight for your family, for your rights, for your society
<7> that is how i think but I was not there either
<1> rc: right, and the US government is just like the Nazis.
<0> Timur, because one reason Jews were persecuted is they were a minority who refused to abide by roman law and later I presume Christian law. (Though I dont see it coming from Jesus I see it coming from Religious hypocritres)
<3> timur: those who refuse to fight for their rights, *deserve* none
<1> there are secret plans to commit genocide against US civilians. mhm.
<1> FT: and an easy scapegoat, like now.
<0> Jews also traditionally were clannish which tends to make people paranoid.. They didnt ***imilate like most other groups.
<3> timur: fo course they are easy, they didn't step up to defend themselves in any significant number
<1> we're Communists, yet Capitalists. Damned if you do, and if you don't.
<7> well the jews learned the IDF are tough ****ers
<0> US is not anti Jewish and anyone who is paranoid about american persecution of jews is simply paranouid.
<0> er paranoid.
<0> And one shouldnt try to live in a state of paranoia.
<4> Timur yeah, the communist jews run all of the businesses hehe, never made much sense :)
<3> sweeet: Yep, well some of them. you have m***ive numbers of jews who STILL believe one should do what the govn't tells them.
<0> The 20th century is over.
<1> FT: actually, Jews *did* ***imilate to the extent they were *allowed to*, which was really only in the countries that accepted the Napoleonic Code and didn't have a reaction to it post-1848.
<2> FreeTrade: jesus was jewish.... so how would jesus make christian law?
<0> No more Nazis.. America would never allow another jewish holocaust.
<7> gotta go make $$ bbl
<1> Kob: well, either way, we're somehow evil. :)
<1> FT: right, minorities generally have it better here than anywhere.
<3> FT: sure, but there are plenty of genocide going on in the world
<4> Timur Oh I agree there, I'm just not sure how to prove it >:/
<4> jk
<1> the whole country's built on that premise
<0> rcane, Jesus was Jewish and he was a reform jew or liberal jew or whatever but a new religion which became the most powerful religion in the world came from Jesus.
<1> heh
<0> Not him personally, those who followed him
<3> FT: but how does that explain an entire culture in the 1930s just meekly going to their death camps.
<0> One think about Jesus was he said all people can belond.
<0> belong
<1> FT: and then was tortured over 1800 years into its present form
<3> Hell, the nazi's might have well saved the h***el, and just gave htem a rope "here, hang yourself"
<2> actually no
<0> Anyone can be a christian.
<2> it came a few hundred years after he died
<2> people needed someone to connect it to
<1> anyone can be a Jew also, we just don't seek to proselytize
<4> Timur yu guys need a better PR campaign
<4> the Christians are really taking a lot of your market share
<1> Kob: it's not easy fighting 2000 years of history.
<3> Those who so willingly give up their 2nd amendment right, have no standing to complain about the loss of any other right.
<8> lol KoBushi
<1> that's just it; it's not sought
<1> if you wanna be whatever, that's your biz. :)
<4> And that new upstart... Islam; you guys are in a worse boat than GM!
<0> I cant answer every question, But I will take what I see, I am saying despite the 1930s there will not be another Jewwish holocaust again. Unless its a single nuclear bomb, but even then more jews live under the protection of the us flag than Israeli flag.
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